Am from Italy, italians are the whitest of the whites. Rome, the church, the basis of modern Patriarchy and white supremacy was born and raised here folks
the basis of modern Patriarchy
So pagans weren’t white?
white supremacy was born
The Norse?
What a weird definition you use
white supremacy was born
The Norse?
Where in the world does that come from?
Norse are the Scandinavians
I would say Northern Germanic but it might cause confusion with the country
What I meant is simply that the roman empire and the Catholic church forged ideological colonial basis of today, not that racism didn’t exist before
Also I meant Patriarchy as an overarching colonial institution, not as an isolated cultural concept. The world wasn’t always universally like this, there are many examples of non (or less) patriarchal societies throughout history, and we don’t know enough about prehistory to make any definitive judgement on humanity
What I meant is simply that the roman empire and the Catholic church forged ideological colonial basis of today, not that racism didn’t exist before
True but that doesn’t fit with your argument as a precondition to being white
I’m from Italy as well. I always like to remember a quote from Charles Mingus, who at some point in his career had an entire black band with the exception of his sax player, Charlie Mariano. When asked about it, he answered something along of the lines of “He’s not white, he’s Italian.”
Maybe the social meaning of ethnicity is really relative to the racist empires they’re situated in and not on some sort of inherent value
I wonder if this is partially a north/south italy divide thing (I don’t know all that much about Italy but I have heard the north was generally more privileged)
I don’t know about the north, but the places my family are from are not 5 star cities, especially my dads mom. her town is super small and is very poor.