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And now that they’ve made unions all but illegal, we’ll eventually return to that trusted tradition.

Either we settle things collectively and politely, or we settle things not so politely.

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This was the whole purpose of our founding fathers.

Kings were getting beheaded. They knew enough that if they didn’t want to watch their backs constantly, they needed to spread power thin.

It’s the point of good faith in government. It goes back to the Code of Hammurabi. We have these laws so that we can all mostly agree on how things should be handled in a reasonable way.

When people can’t rely on laws and justice, eventually blood spills.

These people have been so intent on gathering money and power, they haven’t realized why the founding fathers did the exact opposite.

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When people can’t rely on laws and justice, eventually blood spills.

Agreed. It’s pretty much just a question of how long “eventually” is.

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I thought the purpose of the US founding fathers was to gain power to prevent the British government from having a say in abolishing slavery. Also so they could ignore the treaty the British made with the Indigenous peoples living to the west of the 13 colonies. They wanted that land and didn’t like those assholes in London preventing westward expansion via genocide.

These people have been so intent on gathering money and power, they haven’t realized why the founding fathers did the exact opposite.

You might be surprised about how consistent they are with the “Founding Fathers” by saying some nice words about “freedom” while their actions say the opposite. The American Revolution didn’t fundamentally alter things (slavery existed before and after the revolution) it only changed who was in power. Pretty words on a paper didn’t give people freedom. It was people voting, unionizing, and oh yeah, a bloody civil war that brought freedom. And then even more voting and unionizing and protesting for over a century.

The US is a weird place not too dissimilar from the society depicted in 1984, just with Big Brother replaced by Founding Father. Founding Father isn’t watching over you. Founding Father was hypocritical slave-master that would have more in common with the likes of Elon Musk than they would ever have with you.

Writing nice words about freedom while acquiring wealth from the work of slaves, isn’t that consistent with Elon Musk?

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Most of the founding fathers wanted to abolish slavery, but they also knew they needed the economic power of the southern states’ cotton trade and that they would be virulently against ending slavery. They kicked that can down the road, but laid the groundwork that eventually led us there for the most part.

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