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ācalls for violence in any form against any living creatureā are a violation of lemmy.world terms of service. Comments calling for or celebrating violence will be removed, and may result in additional moderation actions
We have a justice system so that we donāt need to use vigilante violence. Make no mistake, this man was a mass murderer. He was personally responsible for the deaths of thousands of innocent people. But because of our corrupt legal and justice system, he was able to get away with it.
We no longer have any legal method of holding the wealthy and powerful to account for their crimes. The courts are crooked and the politicians bought and paid for. Again, we implemented courts and a justice system so that we didnāt have to use vigilante violence. In olden times, if someone killed your loved one, it was perfectly acceptable to kill them in revenge. We in time implemented a formal legal system to prevent this kind of retributive vigilante violence.
Well, what do you think happens when you break that legal system so thoroughly that the wealthy can no longer be held to account? At that point, your society goes right back to the law of might makes right.
Itās actually very similar to the violence that occurs between gangs. If youāre a drug dealing mafioso, and someone cheats you in a drug deal, you canāt turn to the courts for relief. So instead, you have to use violence.
The people no longer have any real way of holding the wealthy responsible, even for literally murdering innocent people. Weāre going to see a lot more such attacks in the future. And it will not end until we reinstate the old peace treaty that is our justice system.
This is not a Nazi Bar problem. This is a mod being overly sensitive to people being happy about someone getting what they deserve after making millions of peoples lives harder. You trying to turn this into a non-violence issue is just pathetic.
making millions of peoples lives harder
And literally killing some number themselves. Denial of coverage for treatments can and does lead to death in some cases.
I used bleach on my countertops this morning killing millions of bacteria. Put me in Lemmy Jail.
It is interesting. Calls for violence are against the TOS. There is actually nothing in the TOS or the sidebar rules about āCelebrating Violenceā.
I mean that is fine and all, and frankly it is a good policy. Just kinda bad form to be deleting so many posts for something that isnāt in the TOS.
Seems the mods have added additional interpretations to the TOS and then used that as justification to delete a whole lot of the conversation.
Anyways. I like violent video games. Is that celebrating violence, how about football? Can I like football here?
Did you read this comment or apply any thought before you hit post? āAgainst any living thingā is so hilariously broad it makes me wonder if youāre just trolling.
In this context in nearly is. It is a partial quote that is missing the context (the section it is in is generally talking about targeting other lemmy users and groups) and furthermore, they are using that overly broad one line to justify deleting a large amount of comments that āglorifyā violence. Which is not in the TOS, including comments that donāt talk about violence at all like:
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Someone saying they would contribute to a legal defense fund
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Someone mentioning an insanity plea or Jury nullification for a legal defense
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Someone advocating for calling in to the tip line in protest
I get the mods have a job to do, but they arenāt doing it very well and are severely overreacting and over-interpreting a single line in the TOS.
Super disappointed mods canāt parse people not being surprised or feeling something was deserved as a consequence of their actions, and advocating the violence.
My comment that got removed was ācanāt imagine why this happenedā, which neither calls for, nor celebrates violence, but expresses that the conditions leading to such an action, in our dystopian US are predictable, have happened before countless times in history all over the world.
The inability to acknowledge the fault of the powerful actors and system that created such conditions and utter lack of consequences for the rich and powerful in the US are what caused such responses for an agreeably horrific act. The issue that wonāt go away, on Lemmy or anywhere else, and oversimplifying the above to āadvocating violenceā is disingenuous if deliberate, and idiotic if accidental.
Whatās crazy is they seem to be removing comments just mentioning that jury nullification is a thingā¦
Any living creature canāt be the standard. Thatās just absurdly Broad. By this argument you canāt have cooking communities. In any form against any living creature? I canāt cut down a tree on this website apparently.
Antibacterial soap are murder. Vaccines are okay though, except for that one weird virus that actually experiences internal changes sans host.
Wish I would have known how over zealous .world moderation was gonna be when I signed up. Go take a nap for a couple days.
It depends on the community. For example, the Political Memes community of .world is incredibly dumb when it comes to moderation and Iāve been moderated for āmisinformationā for saying that a party sending billions in support of genocide means that the party supports genocide, but thatās an instance of moderators trying to enforce their opinions through the moderation system. At least in this case itās out of an abundance of caution since thereās such a stigma against violence and even messages simply celebrating it can be misconstrued as encouraging it.
Meh, they should grow a spine, people call for violence all day on truth social, twitter, etc.
This whole āabundance of cautionā is due to decades of successful brainwashing and propaganda. How many avoidable deaths are the direct result of executive policy at healthcare, oil, law enforcement, etc. organizations?
Should we censor celebrations or (hypothetical) calls for the deaths of Hitler, Mao, Andrew Jackson, etc?
When does it become acceptable to fight back? When youāve been conditioned to exercise an āabundance of cautionā the answer is never.
Iām not calling for violent revolution here, nor a complete lack of moderation, Iām just noting that removing comments of a rightfully angry and frustrated community is weak as fuck.
If you post a manifesto with calls to violence, sure, I can see that being removed, but a little festive comment celebrating the death of a deserving POS? GTFO.
I posted in c/news about the mods being overzealous in deleting posts in these threads, and it was deleted for rule 6. Fair enough. However, I have looked over the modlogs for the post regarding this shooting and the number of posts that are being deleted for relatively innocuous comments is excessive.
Being happy a bad person got shot is not : Glorifying Violence, Celebrating Violence, nor Inciting Violence.
More over, If this were someone like Kim Jong-Un, or Putin who had been shot, I find it hard to believe the mods would be nearly so overzealous to delete comments saying in essence āgood, he had it comingā.
I donāt think the mods are intentionally skewing the conversation as much as they have an unexamined bias.
It is okay for people to be happy a bad thing happened to a bad person. Other people are okay to disagree with this statement. Let the discussion (within reason) happen. If you arenāt prepared to moderate a discussion, turn off comments on your magazine.
Mods are always gonna be mods. It is the personality that is required to do a thankless job for no pay.
That said: Understand that the major social networks have legal departments. A lemmy instance is a few people working out of their basements who suddenly get a letter from the French version of the FBI asking for details about someone who is TOO happy about a politician getting got.
Best case scenario? That instance now needs to make a āpublicā stand for when they will and wonāt cooperate with law enforcement and there is no way that ends well. Worst case scenario? The instance is considered an accomplice.
I enjoy lurking at resetera because holy shit. And it was hilarious to watch the mass ban waves of the āSocialism OTā members who had spent years outright calling for people to arm themselves and fight governments. And it started within weeks of people finding out that resetera had been sold to some major corporation (I want to say MMO Network?).
Mod: The moderators of this community - and those of other communities - have an easy-to-verify track record for removing any calls for violence and encouraging/celebrating past violence, even directed at despicable individuals. This does not depend on the target of the violence. It is a part of the terms of service of the server, which are not determined by the moderators of this community. Users also agree to these terms by accessing lemmy.world (I am not a lawyer - please contact an admin if you have legal questions).
āCelebrating violenceā is not in the TOS. I get how one can move from the TOS āNo call for violenceā to a more practical āno celebrating violenceā. But no, no one here agreed to that in the TOS because that is not what is in the TOS.
And honestly the section in the TOS which you guys keep quoting:
- Attacks on users or groups
Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack >other people or groups of people. Just because you disagree with someone doesnāt give you the right to harass them. Discuss ideas and be critical of >principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.
We do not tolerate threats of and calls for violence in any form against any living creature.
Really seems to be there to protect the users of Lemmy from violence, which I support. Not the CEOS of Corporations. I mean, in the context of the paragraph it seems obvious you guys are overreacting to most of the deleted posts.
thin line. many people got sent to jail in England for celebrating too enthusiastically online during the anti-immigrant riots. the internet today isnāt the same as the internet 15 years ago
the rules arenāt because the mods care very much. the rules are so than the website doesnāt get taken down and/or the owners/maintainers arenāt subject to serious legal penalties
Spare me, theyāre being way more liberal with comments on Bluesky and they are far bigger than Lemmy.
You and the mods just want to protect rich people from group consensus about them being terrible.
Your paranoia about a slippery slop to violence is very transparent.
thin line. many people got sent to jail in England for celebrating too enthusiastically online during the anti-immigrant riots.
The only thing I ever saw about people online being sent to jail were these two .
Parlour, of Seacroft, Leeds, who called for an attack on a hotel housing refugees and asylum seekers on Facebook, became the first person to be jailed for stirring up racial hatred during the disorder.
Kay was convicted after he used social media to call for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set alight.
So if you consider that ātoo enthusiasticā I uhā¦ have a different definition of that.
