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184 points

Being happy and calling for it are different

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thin line. many people got sent to jail in England for celebrating too enthusiastically online during the anti-immigrant riots. the internet today isn’t the same as the internet 15 years ago

the rules aren’t because the mods care very much. the rules are so than the website doesn’t get taken down and/or the owners/maintainers aren’t subject to serious legal penalties

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Name a lemmy instance that was taken down because people expressed happiness at corporate shill executions. Heck, name any shut down by a government entity for anything.

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thin line. many people got sent to jail in England for celebrating too enthusiastically online during the anti-immigrant riots.

The only thing I ever saw about people online being sent to jail were these two .

Parlour, of Seacroft, Leeds, who called for an attack on a hotel housing refugees and asylum seekers on Facebook, became the first person to be jailed for stirring up racial hatred during the disorder.

Kay was convicted after he used social media to call for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set alight.

So if you consider that ‘too enthusiastic’ I uh… have a different definition of that.

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Depends on where you live. There’s a very similar case in Germany from 2 years ago compared to what’s going on now.

In Germany a cop was murdered and someone posted on Facebook: “Not a single second of silence for these creatures.”

The courts have ruled that even “liking” a comment/post like that could be a crime.

https://winfuture.de/news,131418.html

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there were 6 arrests for social media crimes, including the one for the woman who actually kicked off the protests by sharing a fake name about the kid who attacked the concert

but that’s beyond the point. let’s look at the comment for Kay, one that you mentioned, that caught a sentence of 38 months

“Mass deportation now, set fire to all the fucking hotels full of the bastards for all I care… If that makes me racist, so be it”

that’s the portion that says he “called for hotels to be set alight”

see, to my interpretation he was saying “i would not care if they set fire to the hotels”. in the US, this would be very strongly covered under free speech. why? because it’s an opinion. in the US you can say “I believe that [xyz] should happen” and that is a belief. an opinion- something that cannot be censored. in the UK, not so much. but even in the US, you could be held legally responsible in some way depending on the interpretation of the law

and likewise, the platform hosting that controversial speech can face legal consequences. from serious fines to potentially even criminal charges depending on the enthusiasm of the government. (governments that are getting progressively more authoritarian and trigger-happy the world over)

the point I was trying to convey is that a website like this instance of Lemmy or any other must follow rules in order to stay out of legal hot water. how can you fault them for that?

if you believe this is not the correct thing to do, then you can pay money to host a website and then you can put your ass in front of the ringer to handle potential legal consequences for not doing your part to stop it. i don’t fault the mods in the slightest.

just for reference though, let’s compare and contrast the comment that got Kay arrested and put in jail and then some comments in this thread

a lot of comments in this thread are being deleted, let me see if i can catch some before they are deleted

“This bit of news does not bother me at all”

“I mean, I thought we were gonna eat the rich, but this will do.”

“this will probably lead to the increased militarisation [sic] of ceo security teams. People can start going after their family”

using the same level of scrutiny, each one of these comments could justify a sentence in the ballpark of 38 months like what happened with Kay

this is what i mean. the internet today is changing and social media admins need to change with the times or the hammer of the law can screw them. users here spamming about mod abuse do not fully understand

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Spare me, they’re being way more liberal with comments on Bluesky and they are far bigger than Lemmy.

You and the mods just want to protect rich people from group consensus about them being terrible.

Your paranoia about a slippery slop to violence is very transparent.

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Bluesky has better lawyers.

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England stands only with authoritarian governments with wrong think.

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Being happy and celebrating are not so different.

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Enjoying action against evil is not wrong.

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But it may violate the TOS here.

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Smile and BAN. Better keep you cams covered physically

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