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He’s never won the popular vote and he never will. The majority of Americans despise this Russian agent/asset.

The electoral college is an antiquated relic employed to game the system for Republicans and needs to go.

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Even if we got rid of it, the senate is still non representative with small states wielding more power, and the house isn’t proportional because the seats are capped.

So much is fucked.

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I agree. It’s fucked that a citizen in Wyoming has a vote weighted much more heavily than a citizen in California or New York.

However, as far as the Presidential race is concerned we have been screwed at least twice (Georgia G.W. Bush 2000, Trump 2016) by the electoral college usurping the mandate from the masses.

Gotta start somewhere. Out with the electoral college, we are not commuting by horseback any longer.

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we are not commuting by horseback any longer.

Is there some reference specifically to the electoral college and horses, or was this just about the passage of time?

Half of me thinks there was something very specific about horses and the college after you wrote that lol.

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That’s how the Senate is designed and intended. That’s not the issue. The capped House functions as a second Senate because it no longer represents population correctly, because of that cap imposed in the 1920s.

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Its intended, but it’s still a problem. It gives disproportionate power to smaller states and it gets worse as certain areas grow and other don’t.

Wyoming with a population of 581k in 2022 wields as much power in the senate as California with 39 million.

And if you control either the house or senate, you can pretty much stall almost anything.

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So let’s win and push for ranked choice.

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The Senate was never meant to be proportionate, and that would be perfectly fine if the House was actually proportionate.

Edit: I’m not going to respond individually to the same point(s)… The US is a federation of states. Whether you like it or not, the country was set up this way on purpose. And believe it or not, there was a lot of thought put into it.

There would be zero point to having a bicameral congress where both houses were proportional representation. Why not just have one at that point?

Each state has its own legislative, executive, and judicial branches. They are each microcosms of a nation within the nation. The Governor is akin to the President. State legislatures are the same concept as federal legislatures, and state judiciary is analogous to the federal judiciary. But each state has some leeway in the actual specific ins and outs of how those positions operate. And it can vary slightly state by state. This has its pros and cons, but it was completely intentional.

It makes perfect sense to have a congressional house made up of representatives from each of those states to represent their state’s interests in the federal legislature. The interests of a state as a whole do not always align 100% with the will of the people. People are stupid, and often wrong.

Does that make sense? It is one thing if you are advocating to eliminate the concept of states entirely. But as long as we have the federated system that we do, it makes complete sense to have a legislative body made up of two representatives from each of those states.

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While that’s true, it doesn’t make it right. All representation should be proportionate.

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That in no way makes it perfectly fine. It’s an undemocratic kluge when trying to get individual states that were acting as independent entities to sign on. The founders weren’t prophetic visionaries handing down the perfect democracy. They were horse trading for practical goals and dealing with the limitations stemming from literal horses being used to carry messages.

There’s a reason when we regime-change we don’t install clones of our own system.

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And if the House was as able to block appointees.

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