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51 points

They only are the best rockets in the world because the U.S. government has been giving them piles of money to develop them.

That should not have happened in the first place, but I would like to at least see the government seize their patents since they were paid for by our taxes.

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32 points

Take the company, keep the good people and make it a part of nasa.

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-24 points

That sets a very bad precedent.

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7 points

Can you explain why?

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20 points

that precedent already exists.

For example, the Chattanooga and Tennessee Electric Power Company was nationalized into the TVA; As well as the rail roads and financial industries have a revolving door of nationalization-an-de-nationalization.

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32 points

Or a very good one. If it’s too big to fail, then it’s already a problem.

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3 points

Everyone has already told you it’s not a precedent but I should also note the eminent domain literally only requires the US to pay a fair market price, not for them to not take it.

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14 points

If the US can force a sale with Tiktok then the US can force Elon to sell SpaceX for national security reasons.

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I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how the space program works. NASA pays SpaceX for launch services. For other initiatives, NASA funds research initiatives through multiple companies for redundancy.

If we want to talk about pissing away money for rockets, how much money went to SLS development? Or maybe compare Boeing’s Starliner costs versus Crew Dragon.

Do the research and show me with numbers who the more cost efficient rocket development program is. I’ll wait.

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5 points

I’m not sure what part you think I’m not understanding since I didn’t suggest the opposite of anything you said.

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3 points

Fair enough, other than the idea that they shouldn’t have been paid for the services rendered. R&D is a service just as much as launch is.

I do agree that anything developed using public funds should be publicly owned. Good luck convincing the US government of that though… that would upset the corporate overlords.

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NASA pays SpaceX for launch services.

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html

I think you’re confusing NASA as a client of SpaceX with direct government subsidies and contacts. SpaceX has received billions and billions of dollars via contracts since 2015 (date of the article I linked). They’ve used that government money for their R&D to advance their tech and get to where they are today.

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Yes, I mentioned that they also receive R&D contracts, along with the other major players like Boeing. The difference is that historically they have received less money yet delivered more.

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The neat thing about government science programs, or any government program really, is that cost efficiency is not what drives results. If the best way to accomplish a goal is going to cost more money, then it costs more money. Thinking of the government as a business is as helpful as thinking about government budgets like a household budget. Governments maximize outcomes for their citizens, not shareholder value or profits.

And because you ended your post so unnecessarily rudely, so will I: stand up for your fellow man and encourage the de-privatization of space… and stop licking Elon’s boots. We’ll wait. ✌️

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Nah Elon can fuck right off. He’s easily the world’s most colossal asshole.

How would you measure success? I’d measure it by number of objectives completed. Let’s take the commercial crew program as an example - how many successful crew launches has SpaceX completed vs. Boeing? How about vs. NASA? No American launch system compares to SpaceX in safety and capability yet. (Russia and China might be competitors, but there are political reasons why they can’t be chosen.)

I would absolutely LOVE to see more competition that obsoletes SpaceX. Maybe Blue Origin or RocketLab will step up? I don’t think SLS is really viable though.

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3 points

They’ve been giving Boeing lots of money too.

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