167 points

I’ve said for a long time now that the U.S. government needs to stop relying on SpaceX and I’ve got a ton of pushback. “He’s not in charge of the company! He just owns it!” Yeah, well I am guessing he wasn’t talking to Putin about electric cars or Twitter.

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I mean, he absolutely was talking to Putin about Xitter as well, I’m guessing! This “champion of free speech” has pretty much silenced any opinions about Trump and his companies that he doesn’t like. Nice little preview of the world we’re careening toward where billionaires get all the money, all the power, and they can even direct the speech of media outlets…

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Nice little preview of the world we’re careening toward where billionaires get all the money, all the power, and they can even direct the speech of media outlets…

It’s already like that. It’ll just get a lot worse in the U.S. if Trump wins. There are plenty of countries where this is the norm already unfortunately.

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23 points

Hard to stop relying on the best rockets in the world. Maybe Blue Origin or RocketLab will step up but it’s hard to see that happening.

Better to just force him to divest than to drop one of the very few good launch providers.

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They only are the best rockets in the world because the U.S. government has been giving them piles of money to develop them.

That should not have happened in the first place, but I would like to at least see the government seize their patents since they were paid for by our taxes.

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32 points

Take the company, keep the good people and make it a part of nasa.

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They’ve been giving Boeing lots of money too.

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I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how the space program works. NASA pays SpaceX for launch services. For other initiatives, NASA funds research initiatives through multiple companies for redundancy.

If we want to talk about pissing away money for rockets, how much money went to SLS development? Or maybe compare Boeing’s Starliner costs versus Crew Dragon.

Do the research and show me with numbers who the more cost efficient rocket development program is. I’ll wait.

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2 points

The Americans should probably nationalise SpaceX, or at least buy out a controlling percentage of the shares.

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The US should honestly just nationalize SpaceX and merge it into NASA. Add its operating costs into NASA’s budget, cut some redundancies, and I’m sure we’d see a lot of progress happen pretty quickly.

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I’d rather see it run like the USPS. Let it be a quasi-independent company owned by the government. Even though Congress fucks with the USPS, they don’t fuck with it like they do NASA.

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Nationalizing SpaceX would probably be financially disasteous (seeing as how Musk has to keep pulling money from his businesses to fund twitter, and to buy out Gwynne Shotwell, who was approached by Boeing to be their new CEO in late 2022)

Most people assume Musk’s businesses are all on incredibly shaky ground financially and are propped up entirely though hype and speculative credit.

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9 points

Thats like saying Bezos doesn’t run WAPO and didn’t kill the endorsement, its a nonsensical notion

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2 points

I agree, but I heard it many times right here on Lemmy. By people also saying things like “I know Elon is terrible, but…” in the post.

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6 points

Starlink + Twitter = propaganda mills deliver him Ukraine

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How do you think he launches those Starlink satellites?

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Yeah, well I am guessing he wasn’t talking to Putin about electric cars or Twitter.

Starlink + Twitter = propaganda mills deliver him Ukraine

How he launches those satellites has nothing to do with our exchange unless I missed something.

I’m simply pointing out that any platform to influence public opinion and dialogue is likely of great interest to Russia. That’s kinda their schtick

Edit: but yes I absolutely think it’s absurd that they didn’t pull his clearance and sanction him both directly and indirectly. It’s just that Twitter gives Putin an edge in having Trump elected, in which case Trump extracts retribution for ‘being caught’ by witholding Ukraine funding in an attempt to gather intel on Biden. If Trump wins he’s gonna want nothing more than to see Ukraine crushed. Putin wants Ukraine and it’s a very easy opportunity

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Actually, Musk is not running the day to day operations at spacex, so removing spacex is not really a big need. He was driven out successfully from there a few years ago. But he’s still wrecking havoc at tesla.

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He’s been talking to Putin regularly for years now. The damage has already been done.

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Conservatism is about denying basic human decency to the majority in order to artificially elevate an elite to fawn over.

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I hope it is up to us to decide that.

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His starlink --> SpaceForce --> Alphabet agencies pipeline is what scares me

https://spaceflightnow.com/2024/10/24/live-coverage-spacex-to-launch-multiple-satellites-for-the-national-reconnaissance-office-on-falcon-9-rocket-from-vandenberg-sfb/

More of this shit’s going up next year… Just in time for for the DPRK/PRC/Russian/Iranian escalations

Lets privatize top-secret comms and AO mission orchestration. That’s not gonna bite us in the ass…

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Starshield is a gov constellation of starlink cubesats. Same tech, hopefully different governance. But I have my doubts where Musk is involved.

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2 points

Yeah, I realized my mistake almost immediately and deleted the comment but apparently not fast enough.

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37 points

CIA needs to start doing its job and um… you know, protect American interests. The African scammer needs to go.

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11 points

Security clearances are nominally the domain of the FBI, rather than the CIA. They tend to see themselves as a right-wing organization though.

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I don’t think they were talking about revoking the security clearance here. At least not directly.

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One part of having a security clearance is also willingly signing away certain protections that you as a private citizen otherwise have.

So fwiw him having a clearance does open the door for additional scrutiny were anyone willing to look.

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Yes, plus, he owns contracts with the government that likely contain classified information. It is just much easier to have him under a contract that allows them to just spy on him, in this situation.

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