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-4 points

25 days ago

I know you don’t agree with Lenin, but I think reading Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism may help you with understanding Marxist-Leninists. And, for what it’s worth, Hexbear seems to be making ML/Anarchist unity work.

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db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM

10 points

25 days ago

Would it make me understand why hexbears are dogpiling anarchists who reject “left-unity”?

And, for what it’s worth, Hexbear seems to be making ML/Anarchist unity work.

For some definitions of “work”, maybe. From my perspective it “works” the same way “unity” works in /r/politicalcompassmemes.

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-2 points

25 days ago

Would it make me understand why hexbears are dogpiling anarchists who reject “left-unity”?

I believe it would help, yes. Hexbear’s Anarchists are generally supportive of AES because they agree with Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism, though I don’t claim to speak for all of them. Like I said, you don’t have to agree with Lenin here, I just think your personal understanding of Hexbear and Marxism-Leninism in general, and thus your ability to “deal” or interact with them, would be much better if you read that specific work.

That being said, obviously I don’t expect you to read an entire book just to understand political viewpoints you disagree with, I just wanted to point it out to you in case it hadn’t been already.

For some definitions of “work”, maybe. From my perspective it “works” the same way “unity” works in /r/politicalcompassmemes.

As someone who, back in my ultraleft liberal days (before I actually started reading theory and taking it seriously), participated in r/politicalcompassmemes, it’s entirely different IMO. I think a good exercise if you want to see what Hexbear actually functions like is to scroll the News Megathread and see some of the conversations had there.

Again, though, you don’t have to do any of this. I just think that if you for some reason decided to make “understanding Hexbear’s Anarchists” a goal, then this is the quickest way to do so.

If you do decide to read Imperialism, you can DM me if you have any questions.

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db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM

8 points

25 days ago

The question is, can an anarchist which doesn’t accept any AES remain a member of hexbear for long, or do they get eventually punted for “sectarianism”? In fact, just how many anarchists who don’t accept AES states do you actually have in good standing? How many who don’t believe in left-unity?

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-1 points

25 days ago

The question is, can an anarchist which doesn’t accept any AES remain a member of hexbear for long, or do they get eventually punted for “sectarianism”?

You can be critical of AES when not on a Hexbear account. “Left-Unity” doesn’t mean “all leftist ideas are valid,” rather, it’s about coalition building. Again, understanding Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism is helpful, as both the Marxists and Anarchists on Hexbear see what Lenin outlines as “Imperialism” as the greatest enemy of all Leftist movements.

In fact, just how many anarchists who don’t accept AES states do you actually have in good standing

Unsure, I’m not a mod nor an admin. I think it’s self-evident when identifying as an Anarchist that AES isn’t your ideal, Hexbear’s Anarchists usually just see it as a dramatic improvement on Capitalism.

How many who don’t believe in left-unity?

Not many, I imagine, otherwise they would be on a different instance most likely.

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db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comM

9 points

25 days ago

Hm, from what I’m hearing the “left unity” of anarchists and marxists-leninists only works if said anarchists actually accept the marxist-leninist theory instead of, you know, anarchist one.

I think it’s self-evident when identifying as an Anarchist that AES isn’t your ideal,

Isn’t that supposed to be true for MLs as well?

I am honestly struggling to understand how does one distinguish between hexbear anarchists and hexbear MLs when they both accept Leninist theory. We all know (most) anarchists and MLs want the same theoretical end-goal of communism, but differ in praxis. Do hexbear anarchists actually agree with hexbear MLs on praxis?

Not many, I imagine, otherwise they would be on a different instance most likely.

Isn’t that kinda circular? Hexbear proves left unity works because it has anarchists who already believe in left unity.

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-1 points

25 days ago

Hm, from what I’m hearing the “left unity” of anarchists and marxists-leninists only works if said anarchists actually accept the marxist-leninist theory instead of, you know, anarchist one.

Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism is in no way incompatible with Anarchist theory. I’m not telling you that Anarchists are supporting forming vanguard parties, or gradually transitioning to a world Socialist republic through revolution, I am specifically citing Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism, which I see as the uniting factor on Hexbear.

Isn’t that supposed to be true for MLs as well?

Anarchism isn’t my ideal, no. That doesn’t mean Anarchists do bad work or that they aren’t good comrades, especially if we are aligned on Imperialism.

I am honestly struggling to understand how does one distinguish between hexbear anarchists and hexbear MLs when they both accept Leninist theory. We all know (most) anarchists and MLs want the same theoretical end-goal of communism, but differ in praxis. Do hexbear anarchists actually agree with hexbear MLs on praxis?

Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism is hugely significant but not the entirety of Marxism-Leninism. Additionally, Anarchists and Marxists don’t have the same idea of Communism. The Anarchist theory of what is considered stateless is a hierarchy-less network similar to a spiderweb, while Marxists have no issue at all with hierarchy, but with classes. Anarchists have similar goals and are anticapitalist, but Marxists and Anarchists do not want the same thing. Marxism vs Anarchism is a good article from the perspective of a Marxist debunking someone’s claims that Marx was “basically an Anarchist,” which again I don’t expect you to agree with, but should better understand the position Marxists actually take, which is important given your present familiarity with Anarchism.

Note: I am not trying to “convince you.” I am trying to highlight differences and explain where Anarchists on Hexbear are coming from.

Isn’t that kinda circular? Hexbear proves left unity works because it has anarchists who already believe in left unity.

Yes? I never said it wasn’t. Grad has Marxists that don’t agree with Left-Unity and dunks on Anarchist takes regularly, Hexbear is unique in that it unites both.

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