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25 days ago

The question is, can an anarchist which doesn’t accept any AES remain a member of hexbear for long, or do they get eventually punted for “sectarianism”? In fact, just how many anarchists who don’t accept AES states do you actually have in good standing? How many who don’t believe in left-unity?

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Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml

-1 points

25 days ago

The question is, can an anarchist which doesn’t accept any AES remain a member of hexbear for long, or do they get eventually punted for “sectarianism”?

You can be critical of AES when not on a Hexbear account. “Left-Unity” doesn’t mean “all leftist ideas are valid,” rather, it’s about coalition building. Again, understanding Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism is helpful, as both the Marxists and Anarchists on Hexbear see what Lenin outlines as “Imperialism” as the greatest enemy of all Leftist movements.

In fact, just how many anarchists who don’t accept AES states do you actually have in good standing

Unsure, I’m not a mod nor an admin. I think it’s self-evident when identifying as an Anarchist that AES isn’t your ideal, Hexbear’s Anarchists usually just see it as a dramatic improvement on Capitalism.

How many who don’t believe in left-unity?

Not many, I imagine, otherwise they would be on a different instance most likely.

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9 points

25 days ago

Hm, from what I’m hearing the “left unity” of anarchists and marxists-leninists only works if said anarchists actually accept the marxist-leninist theory instead of, you know, anarchist one.

I think it’s self-evident when identifying as an Anarchist that AES isn’t your ideal,

Isn’t that supposed to be true for MLs as well?

I am honestly struggling to understand how does one distinguish between hexbear anarchists and hexbear MLs when they both accept Leninist theory. We all know (most) anarchists and MLs want the same theoretical end-goal of communism, but differ in praxis. Do hexbear anarchists actually agree with hexbear MLs on praxis?

Not many, I imagine, otherwise they would be on a different instance most likely.

Isn’t that kinda circular? Hexbear proves left unity works because it has anarchists who already believe in left unity.

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Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml

-1 points

25 days ago

Hm, from what I’m hearing the “left unity” of anarchists and marxists-leninists only works if said anarchists actually accept the marxist-leninist theory instead of, you know, anarchist one.

Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism is in no way incompatible with Anarchist theory. I’m not telling you that Anarchists are supporting forming vanguard parties, or gradually transitioning to a world Socialist republic through revolution, I am specifically citing Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism, which I see as the uniting factor on Hexbear.

Isn’t that supposed to be true for MLs as well?

Anarchism isn’t my ideal, no. That doesn’t mean Anarchists do bad work or that they aren’t good comrades, especially if we are aligned on Imperialism.

I am honestly struggling to understand how does one distinguish between hexbear anarchists and hexbear MLs when they both accept Leninist theory. We all know (most) anarchists and MLs want the same theoretical end-goal of communism, but differ in praxis. Do hexbear anarchists actually agree with hexbear MLs on praxis?

Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism is hugely significant but not the entirety of Marxism-Leninism. Additionally, Anarchists and Marxists don’t have the same idea of Communism. The Anarchist theory of what is considered stateless is a hierarchy-less network similar to a spiderweb, while Marxists have no issue at all with hierarchy, but with classes. Anarchists have similar goals and are anticapitalist, but Marxists and Anarchists do not want the same thing. Marxism vs Anarchism is a good article from the perspective of a Marxist debunking someone’s claims that Marx was “basically an Anarchist,” which again I don’t expect you to agree with, but should better understand the position Marxists actually take, which is important given your present familiarity with Anarchism.

Note: I am not trying to “convince you.” I am trying to highlight differences and explain where Anarchists on Hexbear are coming from.

Isn’t that kinda circular? Hexbear proves left unity works because it has anarchists who already believe in left unity.

Yes? I never said it wasn’t. Grad has Marxists that don’t agree with Left-Unity and dunks on Anarchist takes regularly, Hexbear is unique in that it unites both.

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6 points

25 days ago

Anarchism isn’t my ideal, no. That doesn’t mean Anarchists do bad work or that they aren’t good comrades, especially if we are aligned on Imperialism.

How though? Just internet words? That means practically less than nothing. In practice you would be at opposing ends if as you say, your ideal society would include a hierarchical state as the anarchist define it, which is basically anathema.

Yes? I never said it wasn’t. Grad has Marxists that don’t agree with Left-Unity and dunks on Anarchist takes regularly, Hexbear is unique in that it unites both.

I don’t see how it does. All I see is people writing and interacting in a very peculiar way. Anarchists I’ve interacted from hexbear say practically the same things as hexbear MLs.

Even if these two factions somehow managed to put the irreconcilable differences of praxis aside in order to discuss some issues like trans-rights, or genocide and whatnot, it doesn’t seem much of a “unity” at all to me as that requires common action. From what I’m seeing, it’s more of a common culture than any sort of actual left unity. And common cultute is nothing new either. There’s common culture between channers in /r/pol and /leftypol. Common culture with libleft and authright in /r/politicalcompassmemes. Doesn’t make them united in any reasonable sense.

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Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml

-1 points

25 days ago

How though? Just internet words? That means practically less than nothing. In practice you would be at opposing ends if as you say, your ideal society would include a hierarchical state as the anarchist define it, which is basically anathema.

Most people are flexible, and if in the event there was mass success along Marxist lines or Anarchist lines, would join the successful movement.

I don’t see how it does. All I see is people writing and interacting in a very peculiar way. Anarchists I’ve interacted from hexbear say practically the same things as hexbear MLs.

And I am telling you that you can understand this “peculiarity” by reading Imperialism.

Even if these two factions somehow managed to put the irreconcilable differences of praxis aside in order to discuss some issues like trans-rights, or genocide and whatnot, it doesn’t seem much of a “unity” at all to me as that requires common action. From what I’m seeing, it’s more of a common culture than any sort of actual left unity.

This is the most correct thing you’ve said. Hexbear isn’t an org, it was described by one user as “not the Communist meeting room, but the bar they hang out at after the meeting.” There are members of various orgs like PSL, FRSO, Food Not Bombs, etc. on Hexbear alike.

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5 points

25 days ago

Most people are flexible, and if in the event there was mass success along Marxist lines or Anarchist lines, would join the successful movement.

A movement is only successful through unity of praxis. How would one succeed when MLs and Anarchists are pulling into two different directions?

(I’m going to put aside for now the many things I have to say about historical lessons anarchists have learned and why to avoid this)

And I am telling you that you can understand this “peculiarity” by reading Imperialism.

I doubt Lenin had much to say about the peculiar way leftist nerds spam emojis in an online forum :D

This is the most correct thing you’ve said. Hexbear isn’t an org, it was described by one user as “not the Communist meeting room, but the bar they hang out at after the meeting.” There are members of various orgs like PSL, FRSO, Food Not Bombs, etc. on Hexbear alike.

That doesn’t describe unity. It describes people who are OK with suppressing themselves in order to hang out in a common space to talk about other matters. I hung out in plenty of ML parties in my days. I was still never united with them.

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