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Is anyone brave enough to ask why?

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4 points

Fascism is sociologically rooted in the sexual insecurity of men. That’s why it’s always men driving it.

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So facism is mens fault? I wonder how that effects a young man who isnt a facist while they are developing? Ur narrative is actively harming young men and driving them to be the very thing u swore to drstroy.

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7 points

I knew it as soon as I read your β€˜Tate is right’ bullshit.

So facism is mens fault?

Yes. Men had all the political power in the countries that turned to fascism in the past. If you knew any history this would be obvious.

I wonder how that effects a young man who isnt a facist while they are developing?

The same way that one woman having an abortion harms another woman; not at all.

Ur narrative is actively harming young men and driving them to be the very thing u swore to drstroy.

It’s room temperature IQ weakling reactionaries like you that are harming young men. Real men stand against fascists.

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15 points

No, it’s not β€œmen’s” fault, but the people who’s fault it is are primarily men. That’s not an opinion, that’s just history, not to mention what’s happening before our eyes. Even women who are fascist push patriarchy. There is no point in debating whether fascism is primarily a male driven phenomenon. The only legitimate question is why?

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2 points

The only possible explanation for any of this is that men are bad and we should definitely not examine the underlying causes and material conditions at all.

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9 points

Your misconstruing the statement. Fascism is a way for insecure men to feel powerful. These men are feeling insecure due to lack of job prospects, lack of honest to God to physical insecurity, and that also makes them less desirable to potential mates.

The way to protect against fascism is to ensure proper addressing of Maslowβ€˜s-goddamn-hierarchy of needs. Endstage, capitalism leads to fascism, but it has to secure itself in spreading racism and sexism.

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Fascism is Capitalism in decline. Masculinity is a recognized part of fascism, but fascism is rooted in Capitalist decay, not in moral failures of men.

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Masculinity by your argument is also rooted in the development of vaccines, all of the aspects of technological progress, and also all progressive social movements that have resulted in more equitable distribution of political power, ie voting rights act, giving women the vote, etc.

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4 points

Women live in the same declining capitalistic society as men, yet they are far more resistant to fascism. That’s not to say there is something wrong with men or masculinity. Society puts different pressures on men and women so they react differently.

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6 points

Fascism is capitalism when the capitalist class gets too successful, as soon as the capitalists realize they can establish fascism they always do.

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6 points

Do you have a reason to think this or did it just sound good in your head

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9 points

There is a ton of academic interest in the relationship between sexuality and fascism. It was first noted in β€œThe Mass Psychology of Fascism” by Wilhelm Reich after WW2. My comment is, of course, a massive oversimplification of a complex social dynamic.

It’s the same dynamic that made US racists paranoid that black men wanted to rape white women when, in fact, their deeper fear was that white women wanted to have sex with black men. Fascists are particularly sensitive to sexual relations between β€œtheir women” and whomever they have chosen to blame for all their misfortunes.

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106 points

Women are rightfully concerned about the loss of bodily autonomy. They don’t want to live in the handmaids tale.

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2 points

I’m sure that is part of it but proposing that as the sole reason seems unnecessarily reductive.

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6 points

Bro really said that losing all right to bodily autonomy isn’t a good enough reason to dramatically shift someone’s political leaning

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When pregnancy and child birth are such a monumental part of a persons life, and the ability to choose whether or not to go through that process is taken away, it makes a lot of sense why this is the β€˜sole reason’ for some women. As someone who very recently gave birth, everything else in the world and other political topics are dwarfed by the absolute earth-shattering life event that is bringing a child into this world. I think it is something that people who haven’t been through it themselves, or who are not empethetic can not wrap their heads around. But there is absolutely a reason why many women are voting liberal for abortion rights alone. That is the single freedom that contributes most directly to a womens adult life. While tax policies and national affairs have an impact on everyones day to day lives, reproductive rights have an acute impact on womens immediate futures.

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2 points

That explains the US, but that’s about it.

For example Europe there are no movements towards making abortion illegal, quite the contrary.

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4 points

They see what can happen over seas

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-21 points

Women’s lib has been great for women but not so good for men. So men are becoming reactionary.

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46 points

Bullshit. Most men suffer under toxic patriarchy as well. I absolutely love that this shit is finally getting pulled into the spotlight. I have not suffered a single iota of harm from anything β€œwoke” and I would argue that no honest man has either.

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How do men suffer under patriarchy? Do u really want to be the one blaming 75% of suicides on men not being allowed to beat their wives? Sounds like ur calling all cis men evil bad people. I wonder what such a narrative would do to a young man trying to develop a sence of self, identity, and personal ideology?

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11 points

Dishonest men still get to vote though

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What the fuck?

Just because one side gets more rights, doesn’t mean the other side loses rights.

I guess if the rights you miss is the ability to beat your wife without repercussions.

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29 points

It’s β€œThe Woke”. Women are more visible in society as they are treated more equally, so certain (yes not all men) men see that as men losing rights and want to go back to β€œthe good old days”

If you created a similar graph mapping the ideology gap between races or straight and LGBTQIA+ they’d look very similar.

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62 points

This is probably more of a symptom than a cause, but social media platforms pushing manosphere content isn’t helping.

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I recon its both, looks like the symptom makes the cause more potent makes the symptoms worse.

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44 points

I wasn’t paying attention for like 2 seconds and it went from β€œMen also have rights” to β€œAndrew Tate is a role model”, like WTF internet, stop ruining good things, fuck.

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16 points

Unfortunately, β€œMen’s Rights” was a bait and switch. The Alpha/Sigma ideology says there can only ever be a handful of β€œTrue Men” worthy of human rights. Everyone else has to either prove themselves through combat or submit to being less than human.

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0 points

Shock value gets upvotes and downvotes.

There was a famous radical feminist from decades ago who argued all men should be killed. I don’t think she was relevant during twitter or in the recent internet… if she had been, idk πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ

I think the problem with some of these issues is that there are academic theories that are being discussed, which end up getting reduced by non academics and applied to specific individuals.

In the men’s rights forums it becomes men and boys are being left behind, this gets turned into pointing at a specific woman and blaming her.

Likewise in feminist ideology there is the idea of the patriarchy, this gets turned into some people pointing fingers at specific men and blaming them.

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2 points

But people need to make money. Internet will stop being ruined when it stops being monitized.

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8 points

to the privileged, equality is oppression. And therefore more pushback to maintain the status quo

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9 points

Rapid increases in the productive forces of South Korea has resulted in a progressive population of women and a hyper-reactionary population of men, the increase in productive forces was so rapid it caused a hyper-sharpening of contradictions with tradition.

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9 points

The answer is simple the media is radicalizing people and gender is one of their primary motivations it is hand tailored to divide and conquer minds.

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I agree. Any divide they can make they will make. Its also convenient as it means they can use their culture war propaganda for double action to distract the masses.

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39 points

Andrew Tate blaming normal life issues on women and pushing teenagers to be very hateful against them is one big reason

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If the issues young men had wherent real he wouldnt have the followers. We do account for 75% of suicides so Tate’s diagnosis is correct just his treatment is wrong.

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3 points

This is such a wildly intelligent comment that I’m curious what the down voters think. Guessing either Tate fans or ignoramuses, but I’m happy to be proven wrong.

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13 points

75% of suicide deaths. the number of attempts is about the same

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12 points

He preys on vulnerable young men, yes, that’s the point. There are healthier male role models online but I’m not sure youtube shares them widely.

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2 points

Apparently you are, god speed you poor thing.

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