Well if you feel comfortable and get around to it, that would boost some ethos. On the other hand I understand that may not be the most comfortable thing to do on the internet as I’m not sure I would share my engineering degree either.

Then what is your thought on the specific data presented by the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) and their classification of glyphosate as, “probably carcinogenic to humans”?

Pardon me but I just thought if a self-proclaimed expert in the field was going to mount a defense, I’d see a more data-oriented stance. I am an Engineer, myself, and I appreciate data-driven points. Not, “drinking lube” because it’s “probably safe” and “give them a glass of shit”.

Alas, my original comment was less about having an argument over the matter at this time and more shooting the shit about my past experience on Reddit. Others here shared a similar experience with vitriolic brigaders on Reddit just the same.

First Lesson: Don’t hold double-standards.

You accused me of being the exact same as those mentioned in my original comment. You deflected this, despite (1) I make no money. (2) I don’t operate out of some sub. (3) I have literally no horse in this race. And you have zero evidence of any 3 of these actions – which makes your callous accusation odd, and certainly not a story from your past as was my case – and for which others openly corrorborated experiencing for themselves. So “Point out” my priorities all you want, strangely. I don’t particularly take high stock in vacuuous moral judgements from strangers if I’m being honest. I wouldn’t expect that from you either. This brings you no closer to proving I’m a shill equivalent to those whom I and others in this thread experienced.

You may or may not believe what I said, but you either have to accept that within the domain of discourse or you don’t. If you don’t, then we literally have nothing to discuss. You don’t believe me, and that’s fine. But relative to my domain where this is my reality, you couldn’t be further from the truth. Considering your counter-points hinge on taking my story at face-value, you kind of fork yourself.

Moreover there is a clear difference between sharing a personal story and seeing if others relate versus someone who literally goes directly from that to, "I am going to defend X. Here’s my case: " that is also tangential to the original subject-line. Both of these reasons are why they were down-voted and why this isn’t some case of “brigading” as you try to equate it to. Being down-voted isn’t what I really consider “piling on,” much less moving the goalpost from literal “brigading.” Forget the fact that the outcome of this court case in of itself goes counter to their own position they half-heartedly defend.

To be upset that this user was down-voted because they provided an unsubstantiated argument consisting of telling people to drink shit and that “lube” is probably safe just isn’t a compelling argument and in my view is worthless. Again, take it or leave it.

Furthermore I think it’s a little amusing that for the person whom you defend, no sources = okay. For me, no sources = “bad! Shill!” Are you not seeing the double-standard, here? For my original comment you refer to it as an, “empty position,” but they provided… a “weak position” – and yet, you come to their defense and not mine when I already proved the two comments couldn’t be more different? You’re upset that the user is down-voted after mounting a couple-sentence unsourced argument about a considerably complex topic that would take literally thousands upon thousands of words and countless references to legitimately unpack? I mean, Really…?

It’s not my job to coddle others and guide them to the process of sourcing. So if you hide behind the fact that this isn’t “formal” debate, then why do you act like down-votes on a public forum is some atrocity and proof of shilling on its own? Again, a double-standard.

Second Lesson: Don’t seek to “win” the argument out of egoism, but mutually pursue truth, cooperatively.

I freely admit I’m not perfect at this, but it’s all too common. I’ve already been able to admit when I was wrong. I first cast their comment aside as a non-argument, but after review from your response I agreed it was. A poor one, but an argument nonetheless. To your credit you seemed to admit that their argument was poor and unsubstantiated, too.

In my view you seem heavily-fixed on accusing me of hypocrisy. Looking at it from your perspective I guess I could see that on the surface. To me it’s completely different because I’m not linking this thread to bury this user; I’m not using keyword searches; I’m not even brigading the user with gish-gallop of my own as I discussed in my story. I did quite literally nothing I referenced in my original comment.

You are trying very very hard to equate my story with their defense of a position, and therein lies a massive disconnect in your accusation of hypocrisy. This to me is the root of a lot of our differences.

Finally, while you were writing this yesterday, the other user and I pretty much squared our differences, ended on fairly good terms, and they openly agree that it “probably” causes cancer within context of farmers with chronic use.

Third Lesson: End an argument that lives past its usefulness, ideally on the best terms possible.

I don’t see more coming out of this discussion that bears fruit. I’ll oblige you with the last word and go from there. Have a nice day.