Factually, that’s what he did during his time in office as well. I’m not sure what they thought had changed.

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If he loses, I’m very curious to see if people in power still support him. I don’t think he will be very viable again in 4 years, physically or mentally.

He may become more useful if they let him get eaten by the legal machine. Then they’re able to invoke his image like they do with Reagan all the time, but with some martyrdom thrown in about how those mean libs kicked a former president when he was down, nevermind he got away with the crimes he’d be charged with for about a decade by then.

He might not ever serve time, but having everyone ignore him as useless as he sunsets might be an almost fitting punishment. We know the right struggles with empathy, so he could be facing some very frosty cold shoulders.

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The best thing that could have happened for Republicans was trump got assassinated and Biden refused to step down.

Now they’re stuck with trump and Dems cut all their baggage by dropping their elderly infirm candidate.

trumps only real shot is stepping down to. Letting someone else run, and counting on them to pardon everything possible and the SC to take care of the rest.

That has a chance at least, but he can’t beat Kamala.

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15 points

I’m glad he put in as much effort into this as he did to stopping Covid. I think I’d have preferred Biden to Kamala, but Joe just stopped bringing it, so I was getting nervous. Without years of Sleepy Joe and Brandon memes, Trump just can’t figure it out lately, and barely seems to be trying.

I’m in Pennsylvania, so I’m going to be voting the hell out of this election, and hopefully we’ll reach Jan 7 without drama. Then we can start getting on Kamala for her less than great positions, but until then, we got bigger things to deal with and I’m not going to crap much on the better of the 2 options. Post election is another story.

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Without years of Sleepy Joe and Brandon memes,

Fuck man…

Are neoliberals doing that thing again where they insist their candidate is perfect and if anyone tries to point out that there are valid flaws with neoliberal politicians it’s because they fell for Republican misinformation?

Anyone that was or is going to vote D doesn’t care what Republicans say.

Dem voters didn’t want Biden to run against trump, Republicans did

That should tell you all you need to know about how good of a candidate Biden was.

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The Republicans couldn’t even elect a House Speaker, you think they’ll be able to agree on a new Presidential candidate this late in the game? Trump is the only thing holding the GOP together. Without him they’ve got nothing.

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4 points

Seriously?

The one defining feature of Republican voters is their willingness to fall in line and vote for anyone with an R by their name.

There’s some diehard Trumpers who are voting specifically for trump, but Republican turnout is fairly steady (obviously population changes in four years). What decides elections is how good a candidate Dems put forward.

We’re the party that needs a good candidate to vote for and has to keep it’s voters happy

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2 points

The best thing that could happen for Republicans and Trump is that they manage to fuck with the election enough that it doesn’t matter who wins the vote, either the Senate or the Supreme Court awards the election to Trump.

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Senate

I mean, if Mike Pence wouldn’t do it, I don’t know if Chuck Schumer will…

Supreme Court

It’s really not that easy for them. It worked on Gore because party leadership was telling Gore to concede, if he won he’d have put progressives in charge of the DNC.

But even if the SC tries to hand it to trump, it doesn’t mean much. They can say it till they’re blue in the face, it only matters if the Dem candidate goes along with it and concedes. The DNC won’t push Kamala to “do the right thing to unite the country” because Kamala ain’t going to significantly change the course of the DNC or the personal at it’s helm.

That’s the big difference, and why I don’t think we have to worry about the SC this time installing a republican.

We would likely see some civil unrest and strife if they tried, but hopefully that would at least convince Kamala to actually do something about the SC instead of just fucking ignore it like Biden did.

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If he loses, there will be another Jan 6 with both sides being more ready for it, maybe even the supreme court tries to forcefully install him, then the cognitive decline will be so severe he no longer needed for the GOP, then global fascism goes from moderate decline to steep decline, with currently far-right parties pulling the “let’s pretend we’re moderates” game like Fidesz and many others will actually have to become moderate.

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5 points

I just don’t feel the same energy. I see much less Trump signs and so on, though it’s picked up a little, it’s nowhere near what it used to be. The MAGA relatives aren’t going on about it at get-togethers, and when they do, it’s much less passionate than prior years.

I think any gathering in DC is not going to be met with the same light hands as before. There’s no one there to whip them into a frenzy, and with a Dem president and potential future president in charge, win or lose, I don’t feel they would go out sitting idle. Last time was the guy in the oval office trying to stay. Now he’s got to try to get in, and that seems to be a much steeper hill to climb.

Don’t get me wrong, even if Dems were to sweep everything, the fascists aren’t going to go quietly. Plenty of Americans have always been monarchists, and plenty supported the literal Nazis up until bombs fell. Then they just didn’t like those Nazis.

A large portion of this country still seems pissed the North won the Civil War, and until that gets resolved, the need to guard our country isn’t over.

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Yeah maga round here aren’t pro trump anymore they’re “Kamala is four more years of this economy”. It’s definitely a different energy than in the past

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