Factually, that’s what he did during his time in office as well. I’m not sure what they thought had changed.

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The best thing that could have happened for Republicans was trump got assassinated and Biden refused to step down.

Now they’re stuck with trump and Dems cut all their baggage by dropping their elderly infirm candidate.

trumps only real shot is stepping down to. Letting someone else run, and counting on them to pardon everything possible and the SC to take care of the rest.

That has a chance at least, but he can’t beat Kamala.

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I’m glad he put in as much effort into this as he did to stopping Covid. I think I’d have preferred Biden to Kamala, but Joe just stopped bringing it, so I was getting nervous. Without years of Sleepy Joe and Brandon memes, Trump just can’t figure it out lately, and barely seems to be trying.

I’m in Pennsylvania, so I’m going to be voting the hell out of this election, and hopefully we’ll reach Jan 7 without drama. Then we can start getting on Kamala for her less than great positions, but until then, we got bigger things to deal with and I’m not going to crap much on the better of the 2 options. Post election is another story.

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Without years of Sleepy Joe and Brandon memes,

Fuck man…

Are neoliberals doing that thing again where they insist their candidate is perfect and if anyone tries to point out that there are valid flaws with neoliberal politicians it’s because they fell for Republican misinformation?

Anyone that was or is going to vote D doesn’t care what Republicans say.

Dem voters didn’t want Biden to run against trump, Republicans did

That should tell you all you need to know about how good of a candidate Biden was.

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I don’t believe any of it swayed any votes, but I do believe it got a significant amount of people that either wouldn’t vote or wouldn’t promote a candidate to do so. From a hype and marketing viewpoint, I don’t think one could argue MAGA has not been a tremendous success for Republicans. I don’t recall a candidate of either party owning the media or having so much merch-aganda as Trump, and it’s going to hurt them when he’s gone. No one’s going to be sporting I’m going HAM for Lindsey Graham stuff.

I said in my original comment I’m all for getting in any candidate not doing the best thing. There were things I didn’t like about Biden, and there are a number of things about Kamala I’m not excited about, but that is hopefully next January’s problem.

The concept of Biden as a candidate was viable, but the man himself no longer was. The Republican average Joe that was the real mass behind the MAGA movement no longer knows what to do though now that the Lock Her Up, Sleepy Joe’s Got To Go, etc is gone. It’s not just Trump with the wind knocked out of his sails, but a lot of supporters as well. Trump spoke their language, but now he’s at a loss for words, and I’m happy to see it.

EDIT: Not me that downvoted you. I don’t downvote for disagreeing, just for misinformation or bigoted crap and you haven’t done anything like that.

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The Republicans couldn’t even elect a House Speaker, you think they’ll be able to agree on a new Presidential candidate this late in the game? Trump is the only thing holding the GOP together. Without him they’ve got nothing.

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Seriously?

The one defining feature of Republican voters is their willingness to fall in line and vote for anyone with an R by their name.

There’s some diehard Trumpers who are voting specifically for trump, but Republican turnout is fairly steady (obviously population changes in four years). What decides elections is how good a candidate Dems put forward.

We’re the party that needs a good candidate to vote for and has to keep it’s voters happy

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The best thing that could happen for Republicans and Trump is that they manage to fuck with the election enough that it doesn’t matter who wins the vote, either the Senate or the Supreme Court awards the election to Trump.

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Senate

I mean, if Mike Pence wouldn’t do it, I don’t know if Chuck Schumer will…

Supreme Court

It’s really not that easy for them. It worked on Gore because party leadership was telling Gore to concede, if he won he’d have put progressives in charge of the DNC.

But even if the SC tries to hand it to trump, it doesn’t mean much. They can say it till they’re blue in the face, it only matters if the Dem candidate goes along with it and concedes. The DNC won’t push Kamala to “do the right thing to unite the country” because Kamala ain’t going to significantly change the course of the DNC or the personal at it’s helm.

That’s the big difference, and why I don’t think we have to worry about the SC this time installing a republican.

We would likely see some civil unrest and strife if they tried, but hopefully that would at least convince Kamala to actually do something about the SC instead of just fucking ignore it like Biden did.

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I don’t have this much faith. What lost gore the election is the fact that it was a terribly close election that the supreme court could swing one way or another (and they swung it for bush). If this is a close election for trump and there’s 1 or 2 cases that would make him win, I definitely see the supreme court swinging in his favor. This is quite obvious if you look at the recent case that granted him full immunity. The SC is more than willing to bend of over backwards if it furthers rightwing ideals.

As for what the house/senate can do to swing the case, that loophole was mostly closed after the 2020 election. There’s not the same room that trump was trying to exploit to steal an election from congress. I worry a lot more about election laws in swing states stealing the election for Trump. There were more than a few laws passed in republican controlled swing states that gave republicans more discretion in figuring out “legitimate” votes.

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