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That is what I was hoping to hear.

And I still say doing a stunt that even makes it look like you’ve done some real damage to Stonehenge right in the middle of a religious festival does not make you look like the good guys. People in another thread said it spread awareness. Who isn’t aware? I’m fully aware of climate change and there’s fuck all I can do about it.

But at least it was not permanent vandalism.

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Industrial sabotage is whats needed at this point imo.

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Clearly, a good portion of the population isn’t aware of how serious the situation is, it’s still an election issue.

If the right level of awareness was reached, having any kind of oil money around you would be a political death sentence. Instead, Trump has public bribe meetings with oil execs and his base grows because of it.

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Ok, now please explain, since no one else will, why pissing people off is a good way to achieve that.

Have you ever convinced anyone of something by pissing them off?

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I don’t know… oil companies piss off lots of people when they cause oil spills…and yet they’re rolling in profits day in and day out.

Maybe these protesters are trying imitate how oil companies behave since its works so well for them?

Damage the environment and make money if your an oil CEO. Temporarily color stone henge with zero damage and everyone loses their minds. Kinda backwards if you ask me.

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MLK advanced civil rights by being a nuisance. Gandhi pushed Britain out of India by being a nuisance. I’m sure there are others.

It is in the nature of protest to be disruptive. It has to be. If it isn’t, it gets ignored. Climate change is getting ignored. What would you rather they do, go deface an oil refinery? That’ll just get them arrested and the news suppressed. Big public displays that can’t be hushed are the only way to make sure your message reaches the world. These folks have been considerate enough to make sure that message didn’t permanently damage its canvas. I don’t know what more you could ask from them.

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The message is that people care more about non-damaging vandalism to famous objects than they do about climate change which will cause irreparable damage to many of these same objects, be it through hazardous weather, rising seas, or global conflict.

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They said the same about woman and gay rights movements. You can’t make noise, block traffic or even talk about it without pissing people off.

Not to mention most of the anger is manufactured by oil execs and then enabled by people with little to no proper reasoning skills.

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Why are you more angry about a stunt that did no damage than you are about actual ecological damage done by oil companies for profit?

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If you’d been paying attention, you’d know it wasn’t permanent from the get go.

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I was paying attention. That doesn’t mean I don’t wait for experts to say that it really isn’t permanent.

Unless you are assuming the environmental protesters were geologists and familiar with whether or not things like getting into cracks would make a difference at Stonehenge. I don’t see a reason to make such an assumption.

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They said it was orange corn flour all along, and they have a history of not actually damaging anything but using the appearance of “damage” to make a point. Corn flour is a very simple, inert substance. You’re actually demonstrating the hypocrisy that this group is trying to highlight - more concern over something like corn flour damaging these rocks than the damage done by millions of barrels of crude oil extracted every day. Where’s your outrage over acid/micro plastic in rain that falls on these stone every week? There will be new species of moss that grow on these rocks, or pollen that blows on them from invasive species, possibly damaging them as the climate heats up - are you worried about that? Why can folks summon outrage over something inert that touched a famous rock, but not for destruction of the actual biosphere? If Stonehenge is that fragile, why are people allowed anywhere near it? You’re more than welcome to disagree with them, but if you spend more energy complaining about Just Stop Oil than you do complaining about actual oil companies, you’re actually just supporting the oil companies.

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and there’s fuck all I can do about it.

Sounds like maybe you are lacking some awareness around this issue.

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Okay, you tell me exactly what I’m supposed to do.

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Maybe do some labor and figure it out yourself instead of trying to pawn that off on everybody else???

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Lots of things but the easiest would be to find local orgs that have already developed political strategies relevant to your local political context and work with them. They can fill you in on the rest.

Climate change won’t be addressed until there is a much larger movement that can flex serious political power. Think civil rights movement—that’s the kind of organizing we need.

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  • Who isn’t aware?

Like half of the world is in denial.

How would you spread awareness that translates to action?

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Denial is not lack of awareness.

I don’t know exactly how I would spread awareness, but I know exactly how I wouldn’t: Making people think I damaged a beloved ancient monument during a religious festival… a religious festival, as someone else pointed out, for people who venerate nature.

How about, as an idea, paint bombing Shell Oil headquarters?

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They tried that in 2022. It got fuck all news coverage. The fact you don’t know is exactly why they jumped it up to things that would get them in the news.

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Not only did they decide to do it in the middle of a religious festival, they did it in the middle of a festival that’s part of a religion that worships nature.

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