He may not be in office, but Donald Trump has been speaking with the powers that be about Israel’s war on Gaza—but it’s not in an effort to end the genocide.
Instead, Trump has allegedly been talking with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to avert a cease-fire deal, fearing that doing so could help Vice President Kamala Harris win in November, according to PBS.
“The reporting is that former President Trump is on the phone with the Prime Minister of Israel, urging him not to cut a deal right now, because it’s believed that would help the Harris campaign,” said PBS’s Judy Woodruff Monday night. “So, I don’t know where—who knows whether that will come about or not, but I have to think that the Harris campaign would like for President Biden to do what presidents do, and that’s to work on that one.”
The “genocide Joe” crowd is deafeningly silent on this development, i see. How surprising.
Not sure why you would expect them to be going nuts on this. This is just one more in a long line of terrible things Trump supports, but he is not going to change stance on this for a bunch of people not in his party complaining online.
Genocide Joe has run its course, in my opinion. Biden is no longer the nominee, and despite all the hand wringing about foreign shills by people who see Russian manipulation in their own shadows, polls seem to indicate this was an overwhelmingly positive move for the Democrats. Harris is not my ideal candidate, but the Genocide Joe moniker was part of a campaign during primary season and leading up to the nomination to not have Biden as the nominee, and it accomplished this.
This is just some weak what aboutism from sore losers. No shit Trump has worse stances on this issue than Biden, but I can’t vote in primaries other than my registered party in my state, and the GOP was never going to replace him as nominee over this issue anyway.
Bro the absolute denialism that Genocide Joe wasn’t being pushed by GOP and their international subversives…
I wouldn’t deny that they may have thought it was helpful to push at the time, but there are plenty of people who used it that just wanted either a change in stance from Biden, or a different candidate. “Russian shill” has just become the go to line for anyone who wholeheartedly sticks to the Democratic party line to shut down any and all discussion. Criticize your own party’s prospective candidate at the time without first denouncing every bad take Trump has? Russian shill. Don’t agree that the statistics showing the economy is doing great reflect the actual experience of many people? KGB plant. Supermarket is out of your favorite brand of cereal? Putin’s fault. It’s ridiculous.
Genocide Joe crowd knows Biden was a better choice than Trump. They know Kamala is a better choice than Trump. In every metric there is.
Having said that just because they r the better choice doesnt give them free reign in colluding with genocidal foreign countries who are directly and indirectly trying to influence the election. Just because they r not our enemy doesnt mean they r allowed any and every infraction they wish to do.
They just want to be heard that they don’t support Israel ignoring the genocide it is perpetrating in Gaza and the US’s role in it.
You don’t seem to understand the frustration they r feeling having this binary choice. If push comes to shove n they vote they will vote Kamala.
Their continued silence in the ha6ve of Trump’s alleged interference is proof that they don’t give two shits about Palestine or genocide. They’re just pushing an agenda.
You’re just talking out of your ass. Obviously we oppose trump trying to sabotage a ceasefire deal. But of course I’m not a true scotsman so nuh uh.
Buddy, I understand the frustration. We are all feeling that frustration. It’s just that most of us understand the reality of the situation.
I like to think that people like you are either concern trolls, or naive first time voters. Because anything else is fucking depressing.
This genocide has been going on for literal decades, but suddenly “progressives” such as yourself care enough to possibly spoil the most important election in history, and hand the reins to someone who will literally be 1000x worse for Palestine. What a convenient time to grow a conscience (and/or bother doing a modicum of research into one of the longest, ongoing conflicts in modern history).
If you actually give a shit about these people, you will vote for Harris. Otherwise, you’re just talk, and your actions (or inaction if you refuse to vote) will be directly responsible for what happens next if Trump wins. You will be explicitly complicit in Israel’s inevitable ramping up of the genocide, and the blood of the millions of Palestinians that will die because of it will be on your hands.
Just remember that when you wake up Nov. 5th.
The “genocide Joe” crowd are, for the most part, well aware that Trump is just as bad for Gaza as Joe is. They’re not arguing for supporting Trump, they’re arguing that both choices are bad.
This is not a rational position, obviously, because if you care about protecting Palestine you’re still better off supporting the Dems to avoid the worse option of Trump, but for a lot of people it’s hard to stomach the idea of voting for a murderer, no matter what the justification is. The not entirely unreasonable argument is that voting for the Dems to avoid the worse option basically encourages the Dems to be more shitty because they know they can always throw the threat of the GOP in everyone’s faces when they’re called out. I don’t agree with this argument, but I see how it’s compelling to people.
They’re not Trump supporters - at least, not intentionally - they’re just sick of the whole dicochtomy of being asked to choose between bad and worse. I can understand their frustration, even if I don’t agree with the choice they’re making.
Trump is not “as bad” as Biden. Trump is significantly worse. Trump has said he wants to ramp things up, and for Israel to “finish the job.” There is no “as bad” here. There won’t be any Gazans left under Trump most likely. There certainly won’t be a Gaza separate from Israel at least.
Why are we still defending Biden vs Trump? Harris “won’t stay silent” about Palestine.
Except the ones which are saying it simply to encourage people to stop voting. They do that to dem voters only though suspiciously
There is no comparison between the two. Trump is unimaginably worse. The only thing anyone has against Biden is his son (which isn’t anything to do with him) and Israel, which Biden is likely trying to get a ceasefire in the background
I’m sitting here in Australia as he’s telling you guys exactly how he is going to fuck you over… He’s dropping hints constantly that he won’t leave power and introduce laws to extend his term if he wins
He’s definitely going to pardon more criminals. It’s scary to think of how much damage he’ll do on a second term internationally, as he’s done plenty the first time.
If Trump ends his term knowing he’s going to jail, don’t be surprised if he leaks all the classified information to everyone to make it seem like he’s fighting for freedom and try to get more power
They do that to dem voters only though suspiciously
Are there any Republicans on Lemmy that you’d like us to address? Where?
which Biden is likely trying to get a ceasefire in the background
This is completely baseless speculation at best, and essentially a conspiracy theory at worst. Biden has given consistent, unconditional support to Israel throughout the current genocide and through his entire decades long career.
Reasonable speculation, based on recent and past behavior, would suggest that what’s actually happening in the background is that Biden and Netanyahu are operating in lockstep, and any contrary statements they make are keyfabe, with private assurances that there will be no disruption of material aid. On the other hand, we could not rely on speculation at all and just look at the facts, that Biden has been completely behind Netanyahu on anything that actually matters, materially.
What does this even mean? Leftists want an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza. The only way that happens is if the US stops funding their genocide campaign. If Biden (or Harris/Trump as the next president) had any interest, they could just do that. They won’t, but they could.
If you think leftists want Trump to sabotage the minute possibility that Biden will finally do the right thing, then you fundamentally misunderstand the situation.
It means that those that were referring to Joe Biden as “Genocide Joe” because of his continued support to Israel, haven’t said peep about Trump actively sabotaging a peace deal for his own personal and political gain. Like it was all in bad faith or something.
Weird.
Yeah, weird. Let me get our “Genocide Joe” CEO to make a statement about this extremely recent news that most people haven’t heard yet.
It’s so disappointing watching liberals continue to rally behind this old, rotten bastard and defend his rampant and wildly unpopular complicity of an actual genocide when he’s not even the one running for reelection. Bad faith? Wanting our money to stop funding the wholesale slaughter of innocent people is acting in bad faith because you don’t like the nickname? If the mere association of Biden’s name with the result of his own foreign policy sounds so bad that Democrats are afraid it will make his VP lose the election, maybe he should take the fucking hint and change his policy. If the party doesn’t like the name “Genocide Joe” then just stop committing genocide. Very fucking simple.
And if you want my opinion on Trump, he should be in prison several times over, including for this exact reason. Why would anyone wanting an end to war think otherwise? You absolute clown.
Is it ok for Democrats to continue financing a genocide because Trump said he’d do it, too?
Biden isn’t even in the race anymore. Why are you still trying to defend him?
Hey, lookit that, I’m learning how to summon them!
Who defended Biden? I pointed out how y’all seem exceedingly quiet on the matter, and what’s your response? “Buh-buh-buh-Biden buh-buh-buh-bad!” I’ll give ya one thing, you’re as predictable as a Swiss watch.
I think he was questioning why biden gets it but trump has no need of defense in this much more specific action.
why biden gets it but trump has no need of defense
Does anyone on this site think Trump isn’t routinely criticized for his foreign policy?
Biden’s the current president. He approved $20B in military spending for Israel just last week
That’s why he’s at the front of the line for this outcry.
Right? Pretty sus that we’re suddenly not allowed to be anti-genocide… because Trump is pro-genocide?
Yeah let me join the downvote crowd. The most powerful military and the largest economy in the world is unable to stop its vassal state from carrying out a genocide for 10 months. But if I vote for this cop and her soldier friend instead of a real estate guy, we’ll magically change our ways and the bombs will stop falling. I have a bridge to sell you.
