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Biden looked terrible, and he sounded terrible. Trump lied about 99% of the time. Biden told us what he did for ALL Americans and there is more to come. Trump admitted he cut taxes for the wealthy and destroyed environmental regulations. As a voter, you are voting for the candidate and their administration. The choice in 2024 is, A. Things get better for our Democracy, or B. We install a dictator and voting ends forever. They are not both the same, and NOT voting, or 3rd party voting, helps the weaker candidate win.

I’m voting for the candidate that has been making life for ALL citizens better, that’s the job of the President.

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Things won’t get better under Biden though. Strongest argument neoliberals might be able to make is that fascism will arrive slightly slower under their guy.

But seeing how Biden is fumbling it’s very likely he’s going to lose this. He needs to step down. If it’s about the party or the administration then he needs to realize that. If he stays in he is responsible for a Trump win.

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Things have gotten better under his first term so I don’t see why it would not. At least for things the president could effect. As far as facism it has not improved in terms of rectifying citizens united but not getting better is a whole lot better than getting way worse.

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7 points

OPEN YOUR FUCKING EYES JESUS CHRIST

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And look at what? The genocide he’s funding? The illegal border policy he tried to pass that was identical to the one Trump tried to pass under his term? Or am I suppose to be looking at the past 40 years where neoliberals like Biden have failed to to confront the slow encroachment of fascism and instead chose to spend all their energy and resources undermining progressives in their own party? Or how voting the “lesser of two evils” for all that time has produced zero results?

You’re acting exasperated as if neoliberal democrats aren’t complicit in where we are right now. I think it’s you who needs to open your eyes and understand that neolibs aren’t helping or even buying us more time. The loss of our rights has continued full speed under the Biden admin, and he’s risking it all to satisfy his own ego and fanatical zionism.

No. Biden is responsible for his unelectability and when he refuses to step aside he will be responsible for his loss.

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Oh look, the same clown in the same circus. Just come out and say you want Trump to win. All this blabbing you do on every single Biden thread trying to come across as “for the good of the party”. Totally disingenuous.

People like you will be responsible for Trump.

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Biden (and his ego) is responsible for the inevitable loss in November, but they will surely blame leftists for not voting hard enough. It’s utterly deranged they expect a candidate such as this to pass muster, but here we are. Biden admin couldn’t even pass voting rights act, after Jan 6 and attempted coups with fake electors plot happened. The incompetency at governing is truly astounding, and this is why I’ll also blame Biden for the slide into fascism.

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Things won’t get better for Gaza.

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34 points

Let’s burn everything down then. Gotcha. Thanks for clearing up this complex situation for us.

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-6 points

Not what I said, just a reminder that genocide is bipartisan.

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36 points

Exactly. They won’t get better either way. But at least they won’t get even worse. Wouldn’t you want that ?

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-28 points

How is it possible to get worse?

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0 points

They won’t be alive by 2025. Can it get worse?

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won’t get better either way

jesus fucking christ.

if Biden loses and Trump takes office, he will help Bibi finish the job https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html

MEANWHILE Biden has been working hard on a 3-step peace plan that includes giving up remaining hostages for ceasefire and then continued ceasefire with more conditions resulting in the end of the goddamn war.

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You’d think, based on your username, you would be against what Trump stands for, seeing as he’s clearly worse for Gaza too.

I can no longer tell if you’re a provocateur or an idiot, frankly.

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For them if doesn’t matter who wins, because if Israel is not stopped there won’t be anyone left in Gaza by 2025.

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12 points

That’s a tautology when talking about any potential American president

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0 points

Correct. This is a demon country run by moonstera.

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11 points

if Biden loses and Trump takes office, yes I agree. Trump will help Bibi finish the job https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html

MEANWHILE Biden has been working hard on a 3-step peace plan that includes giving up remaining hostages for ceasefire and then continued ceasefire with more conditions resulting in the end of the goddamn war.

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Biden is working hard to help genocide the Palestinians. He could end this whenever he wants by not giving them more weapons. He said there was a red line! All lies.

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20 points

This run down fits with what I saw but biden was better by the end if not great. Trump did a good job though of looking better in a beauty pageant aint nobody want to be a contestant in.

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8 points

Great, no. Better, undoubtedly.

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4 points

yeah I should have used but not great not if.

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