Biden looked terrible, and he sounded terrible. Trump lied about 99% of the time. Biden told us what he did for ALL Americans and there is more to come. Trump admitted he cut taxes for the wealthy and destroyed environmental regulations. As a voter, you are voting for the candidate and their administration. The choice in 2024 is, A. Things get better for our Democracy, or B. We install a dictator and voting ends forever. They are not both the same, and NOT voting, or 3rd party voting, helps the weaker candidate win.
I’m voting for the candidate that has been making life for ALL citizens better, that’s the job of the President.
This run down fits with what I saw but biden was better by the end if not great. Trump did a good job though of looking better in a beauty pageant aint nobody want to be a contestant in.
Things won’t get better under Biden though. Strongest argument neoliberals might be able to make is that fascism will arrive slightly slower under their guy.
But seeing how Biden is fumbling it’s very likely he’s going to lose this. He needs to step down. If it’s about the party or the administration then he needs to realize that. If he stays in he is responsible for a Trump win.
And look at what? The genocide he’s funding? The illegal border policy he tried to pass that was identical to the one Trump tried to pass under his term? Or am I suppose to be looking at the past 40 years where neoliberals like Biden have failed to to confront the slow encroachment of fascism and instead chose to spend all their energy and resources undermining progressives in their own party? Or how voting the “lesser of two evils” for all that time has produced zero results?
You’re acting exasperated as if neoliberal democrats aren’t complicit in where we are right now. I think it’s you who needs to open your eyes and understand that neolibs aren’t helping or even buying us more time. The loss of our rights has continued full speed under the Biden admin, and he’s risking it all to satisfy his own ego and fanatical zionism.
No. Biden is responsible for his unelectability and when he refuses to step aside he will be responsible for his loss.
Biden (and his ego) is responsible for the inevitable loss in November, but they will surely blame leftists for not voting hard enough. It’s utterly deranged they expect a candidate such as this to pass muster, but here we are. Biden admin couldn’t even pass voting rights act, after Jan 6 and attempted coups with fake electors plot happened. The incompetency at governing is truly astounding, and this is why I’ll also blame Biden for the slide into fascism.
Exactly. They won’t get better either way. But at least they won’t get even worse. Wouldn’t you want that ?
won’t get better either way
jesus fucking christ.
if Biden loses and Trump takes office, he will help Bibi finish the job https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html
MEANWHILE Biden has been working hard on a 3-step peace plan that includes giving up remaining hostages for ceasefire and then continued ceasefire with more conditions resulting in the end of the goddamn war.
Let’s burn everything down then. Gotcha. Thanks for clearing up this complex situation for us.
You’d think, based on your username, you would be against what Trump stands for, seeing as he’s clearly worse for Gaza too.
I can no longer tell if you’re a provocateur or an idiot, frankly.
For them if doesn’t matter who wins, because if Israel is not stopped there won’t be anyone left in Gaza by 2025.
if Biden loses and Trump takes office, yes I agree. Trump will help Bibi finish the job https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/us/politics/trump-israel-conservative.html
MEANWHILE Biden has been working hard on a 3-step peace plan that includes giving up remaining hostages for ceasefire and then continued ceasefire with more conditions resulting in the end of the goddamn war.
Biden is working hard to help genocide the Palestinians. He could end this whenever he wants by not giving them more weapons. He said there was a red line! All lies.
It’s so painful to watch Biden attempt to recall accurate information, while watching Trump effortlessly lie.
This is probably the worst Biden has ever sounded, and it was largely because he was trying to remember and repeat everything he could.
Meanwhile Trump just says whatever comes to mind.
Also, what was up with those muffled mics? You could hear it in Trump’s mic too until he started getting louder.
No, I mean both candidates sounded softer than normal. Like the sound was a bit muffled. It was most noticeable at the very beginning before they started talking louder.
When Biden seemed lost at the beginning, it was the Introitus.
When they were arguing about golf, it was the Confutatis.
When they were both responding to how to help Americans with addiction by talking about restricting fentanyl coming into the country, it was the Dies Irae.
The entire thing was underlined by the Lacrimosa.
The closing statements, the Kyrie. Lord have mercy.
Edit: (Obviously these are not in performance order.)
They set the expectations ridiculously low for Biden and are desperately trying to claw that back. When they say he can’t string two sentences together, all he has to do is string two sentences together and he’s shown that they’re wrong about him. Such morons.
Meanwhile, I had higher expectations for Biden, and Trump’s expectations are what I’m seeing… This debate will not sway me away from voting Biden, but fuck is it hard to watch.
I try to remember that we’re voting for an entire administration and presidential appointments, an apparatus much larger than one old man. It’s cold comfort, but it’s something.
I feel like Biden has exceeded my expectations for him. I wouldn’t call him good, but he’s better than I expected him to be, which was essentially Trump lite on policy.
I dunno. IMO, he didn’t sound terrible. He sounded like an 81 year old who probably shouldn’t have been shoved into the nomination but the other frontrunner last time could have forced some representation of the left, so the DNC did it anyway. At least he made an effort to make sentences and call out lies, which the moderators should have.
I hate that our choices are a guy who should be retired vs a nazi that should be retired.
I didn’t watch it, but from what I’m reading this morning, it probably won’t change anyone’s mind.
I did watch it. It was not great but, I’m still left with the impression that people set really unrealistic expectations for an 81 year old with a history of speech impediment. Those things come back in novel ways as we get older. IMO, the whole thing borders on elder abuse but, that’s where we’re at. Just disappointing to see the “left-wing” (corpo) media immediately on the attack - they seem to be trying to carry more water due Trump.
Also, I am not sure if the shell-shocked look of the talking head before she started speaking was from the debate or the words on the teleprompter.
We need about a week to see what happens with polling. Anyone right now is just reading tea leaves. But uh … This is the worst debate performance I’ve seen since Palin. So I can see why party insiders are suddenly discussing things like an open convention in hushed voices.
I was really dissapointed that biden did not discuss trump lowering interest rates to zero before covid when obama had gotten us to a few percent. Zero interest rates is something that is only supposed to be done when there are problems and the economy is not running right and we need a general buff. three to six are normal levels. over six is high. You will always get inflation when interest rates are kept low in an economy that does not need it. This was one reason we could not drop them when covid hit and the reason they had to be raised at breakneck speed which is something you never want to do. They should be lowered and raised very slowly at very slow levels. Idealy quarter of a point or less each time and not ever quarter.
And russian trolls do their best … or worst right now. And chinese leaders wait and smile.
It’s no conspiracy that Trump dodged almost every question.
