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…We’ve committed a multi-thousand year long genocide against dogs, breeding them for traits that we find useful, and usually killing the puppies that don’t possess useful traits…

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43 points

Awww, it can hardly breathe. Look how cute and helpless it is!

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Maltese covered in tumors at 8 years old? That’s totally normal. Just like the cancer it inevitably will develop.

Meanwhile feral dog breeds can live up to 17 years just like wild wolves do. Though in the wild, the average lifespan is 5 years. Because of disease or injury.

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6 points

I love my healthy mutt.

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92 points

So… We’ve treated them as equals for millennia? That tracks.

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This might be my favorite rage bait of all time. Lol

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I mean, it’s also true, so is it really bait then?

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Yes

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5 points

Only in very broad strokes.

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34 points

That’s not genocide, that’s eugenics. Just as bad.

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Eugenics is not inherently bad, it’s just frequently used as an excuse to do really evil shit.

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There’s personal and systemic eugenics. Systemic eugenics will always be bad.

Personal… Well, you’re not obligated to have children you don’t want either.

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Eugenics is bad because it’s based on fundamentally incorrect ideas about how genetics plays into personal development. Galton drew specifically upon the fundamentally incorrect ideas of scientific racism, and wrote about Eugenics as being a means to better improve the superior races. Galton argued that things like poverty and mass suffering could have been solved this way, essentially arguing that it was the personal incompetence of the less fortunate which lead them into misfortune (also fundamentally incorrect).

Even if you drop the baggage of scientific racism, Eugenics is still conceptually ableist, choosing to eliminate those we deem disabled rather than finding solutions to better their lives.

On top of that, we were kind of hinging on sequencing the human genome giving us the insight to how genetic diseases work, the single possible case that eugenic thought might have had a use in. This has since fallen through. Further research into genetics has also demonstrated just how unreadable DNA is right now. We are still nowhere near being able to predict most genetic diseases based on the genetics of a couple.

I also cannot think of a single thing that eugenics implies should be done that isn’t absolutely evil. I’d argue that things that only encourage evil actions are themselves evil.

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Sorry to disappoint you, but even just picking your partner off of looks is literally a form of eugenics if you preach being attracted to your partner… Parents who decide to abort a fetus with a terminal illness is ALSO literally and directly eugenics.

Eugenics itself isn’t bad, it’s just certain morons think THEY deserve to decide such things for and about others.

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no that’s part of natural selection. it’s our biology telling us what we want. eugenics is systemic planned pairing and breeding. it’s also had the ideas that a person’s quality is defined at birth baked into it from the start. it’s based on the concept of a person’s worth being defined by the circumstances of their birth and not by their efforts in life.

also, actual science tells us that the best thing to “breed for”,if that’s the way you want to look at life, is genetic diversity. the healthiest stock has the most diverse gene pool. something every eugenicist also somehow manages to ignore that and deny that if improving or genetics is our goal we should be trying to all become a neutral brown and choose people the most different from us genetically.

cause that’s the thing about dog breeds. we can engineer the perfect biological hunting machine… that dies by age 11 at the latest. because breeding for a trait never creates healthy offspring. which makes sense, we weren’t breeding for health. the natural desire of most parents is a healthy child. it’s what nature optimized for. when we start looking for other traits we tend to fuck it up.

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That last part may need a bit of citation, but yes modern breed standardization has unfortunately crippled many of the poor creatures from birth.

Adopt rescues, people! It’s usually super cheap and they’re almost always healthier dogs anyway.

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I presume you meant to prepend these citations with your own summation, something along the lines of: “It’s a spectrum, not a point”, etc al?

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