With Trump in mind, some progressives online turn against anti-Harris leftists(www.nbcnews.com)

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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca

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2 months ago

Not to mention the basic principle of democracy: political parties have a tendency to gravitate towards where the votes are.

The Democratic party isn’t a static thing. They will move further left if it gets them more votes. They move right if that gets them more votes. If the Democrats go further right, it’s not to spite leftists screaming on the internet. It’s because leftists aren’t voting and screaming on the internet is meaningless.

Leftists that aren’t voting are leftist that don’t actually want any leftist policies implemented. They just want to complain about policies not being implemented while doing nothing to make it happen. If they actually believe in the changes they say they want they’d be willing to vote in as many elections as necessary to see it happen. Over the course of decades id necessary. Voting in zero elections shows very dedication for what they claim to be important.

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Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world

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2 months ago

They will move further left if it gets them more votes. They move right if that gets them more votes.

Obama ran to Clinton’s left and was insanely popular. What way did the party move after his presidency?

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barsquid@lemmy.world

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2 months ago

You mean towards the largest number of votes?

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Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world

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2 months ago

And who won that election?

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barsquid@lemmy.world

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2 months ago

The thing you were arguing about is that they will not move left even if it gets them more votes. You referenced 2016. It looks like they went towards the more votes even in 2016, no?

You now wish to change your argument. “If Dems had ignored the more votes and gone further left, it would have won the election,” am I reading that correctly?

I also preferred Sanders. But I don’t see how you can logically hold both those positions.

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Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world

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2 months ago

The party saw that Obama was popular when he was to Clinton’s left. They moved right anyway. They lost. Yes, Clinton got more votes than Trump. They still moved to the right after it was demonstrated that moving left excited voters.

They move right no matter what and make up excuses after the fact. At least until last week. And just look at how excited Democrats finally are. The dam has burst.

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barsquid@lemmy.world

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2 months ago

Clinton got more votes than Sanders, that is why they went rightwards instead of leftwards. On the topic of that person saying leftists need to vote to move the needle, you claimed that was wrong. That’s delusional? You want them to ignore the majority of their voters and go left because you felt excited about Sanders? I did also but what the hell.

I’m glad Harris is popular with the Dem majority who do reliably vote as well as the unreliable younger demographics. It is looking pretty good. I hope it does get voters excited enough to show up and I hope the leftward ones continue to participate in the future so that the needle swings in the correct direction.

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