This is not to be confused with the application called “OneNote”, that’s staying.
You can always trust Microsoft to make two version of the same application and to have really bad naming.
You can always trust Microsoft to make two version of the same application and to have really bad naming.
And to make bad naming worse naming, since they switched Office’s name to 365 Copilot, not to be confused with 365 (office premium), Copilot (ChatGPT interface), or Copilot (Office text assistant). Office was a perfectly serviceable name they’d used for decades. It’s like Twitter rebranding themselves to a single latter like Y. Why would they throw away branding like that?
People are liable to look for office, not find it, and go "oh, Microsoft doesn’t sell Word any more ☹️’
Their enterprise products as well. Azure is now Entra, all the admin page rebrandings like defender, purview, intune, the URL changes, etc.
Please just stick with a name already!!
Azure is not Entra. AAD became Entra. They did it because AAD was becoming less about Azure and covering more things than directories. So a rebranding made sense.
It’s a pretty dumb name, though. It doesn’t really mean much when you hear it, and it sounds too similar to other common words.
Jack made HBO into Max. Lost all that recognition and fan support for what? Like I’m convinced more and more each day that rich people are just plain stupid.
Ms flow vs power automate… It’s like they’re not even trying anymore. And that’s pretty much what it is. Monopolies stifle innovation and development.
Are you talking about Teams in Teams for Home or Teams for Work and School, and is it Teams or New Teams you mean?
The OneNote Microsoft wanted to discontinue in favor of the Win10 OneNote a few years ago is staying, so they can axe the Win10 OneNote.
From 2018: https://rcpmag.com/articles/2018/04/19/onenote-desktop-app-sunset.aspx
I got so sick of their shit. I think there were two Teams and Skype versions too. Wtf is their problem?? I just stick with LibreOffice for everything now, but eyeing OnlyOffice because of their cloud service.
Yes, there was Teams (classic) and Teams (new. There’s also Outlook (new) and Outlook (classic).
There was the Snipping Tool and Snip & Sketch, it even said they were getting rid of Shipping Tool, but then they got rid of Snip & Sketch instead but the function of Snipping Tools is the same as Snip & Sketch.
OpenOffice is unmaintained, unfortunately (see the LibreOffice page explaining this); LibreOffice considers officially hosting a cloud service out of their scope but Collabora does provide hosting (and you can self-host, of course). Their “Development Edition” is the free version that doesn’t come with an SLA.
edit: I can’t read
but eyeing OnlyOffice because of their cloud service.
How do I know which one I’m using? Are you talking about the windows store one (tablet one) being the one that’s discontinued while the one that’s bundled with o365 (desktop version) being continued?
This is a good time to switch to Notesnook, which has a OneNote importer.
Why am I about to shill so hard for this particular app? Simple, because after Evernote enshittified over a decade ago, I switched to OneNote as the least terrible alternative, and then spent the next ten years trying to find an actually good, open source notes app.
Call me Ahab because this motherfucker has been my white whale for a not-insignificant portion of my life.
Notesnook, finally, hit everything I wanted;
- You can self host it (but you don’t have to)
- Self hosters get everything on the paid plan for free
- It has a web app, a desktop app, and a healthy ecosystem of phone apps, with - very importantly - 1:1 feature parity. Everything you want to do you can do from any of the interfaces and for the most part they’re even laid out identically.
- It has a proper rich text WYSIWYG editor. It does not demand you learn FUCKING MARKDOWN. JESUS H CHRIST I DO NOT WANT TO LEARN A FUCKING SYNTAX TO MAKE NOTES, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
- But for those who care about that stuff, it is built on markdown, and all your notes can be exported in markdown, so there’s no lock in. And you can use markdown in the editor (without even having to switch modes like a lot of other editors).
- Everything is encrypted by default. Notes can also be individually password protected.
- You can share copies of notes with optional password protection and self-destruction.
- It has a really slick UI. Everything works, everything is intuitive, there are tonnes of keyboard shortcuts. I find I actually have an easier time writing long form text content (such as a novella I’m working on) in Notesnook than I did in Word or LibreOffice.
- It builds a TOC for notes automatically. You can link notes to each other, and links are bidirectional so you can track which notes link to a particular note.
- You have sorting by both tags, and notebooks. Notebooks are infinitely nestable, and - this is really cool - notes can exist in multiple notebooks simultaneously.
- It has robust web clipper for Firefox and Chrome.
- Very robust attachment support.
- God so much more, I’m having to deliberately stop here.
What it’s currently lacking is drawing support. If that’s a must have for you, check out Joplin instead (at least for now, I’ve seen some talk about Notesnook integrating Excalibur for digital canvas, which would be a superb solution).
Anyway, please check out Notesnook. It’s excellent, and I like sharing excellent things. https://notesnook.com/downloads/
It has a proper rich text WYSIWYG editor. It does not demand you learn FUCKING MARKDOWN. JESUS H CHRIST I DO NOT WANT TO LEARN A FUCKING SYNTAX TO MAKE NOTES, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?
I’m curious about this agressive stance. Why is markdown so triggering for you ? I get the pros of WYSIWYG but it has also some cons. On Lemmy for instance you use markdown without even noticing ?
I use Obsidian and I’m happy with it. The markdown syntax is really easy and it’s « almost » WYSIWYG because you see the markdown only at your cursor. It even has a plugin for excalidraw.
I am trying it out given all the praise.
- I can’t create more than 5 (!) tags in the free version
- it can’t export notes in anything else than borked text files in the free version (formatting lost, no markdown, no pdf, no html)
- it doesn’t let me choose where I store my notebooks, in fact does not tell me where it saves them at all
- backup files are not human-readable, they don’t appear to be zip files in disguise, they are seemingly locked to notesnook (“.nnbackupz”)
- the importer/converter is on the web, and requires me to upload all my plain text MD files for conversion
I use QOwnNotes on the daily, which does not have any such limitations. On the other hand, it’s a markdown editor, which means your monitor space is divided by two : it has separate editing & preview panes. It’s honestly a bummer because apart from that it’s pretty much perfect
Did you by chance self host the sync server using docker compose? Their instructions aren’t great and I was hoping you had some tips.
For anyone else interested, if I figure it out, I’ll post what I did here.
Edit 1: I finally got it all setup but syncing isn’t working so I guess I did something wrong 🙄 . Troubleshooting now
So yes, I did, and yes, their docs suck (better documentation is on their roadmap).
There’s a really good guide here on Lemmy that I recommend instead. https://lemmy.ml/post/25006407
Following this I had it up and running in no time. Check the comments as well, I added some notes on getting attachments working. If you’re still having issues shoot me a message and I’ll try to help.
: I finally got it all setup but syncing isn’t working so I guess I did something wrong
$5 says you need a srv record or something that wasn’t obvious from the docs
I don’t know what the fuck is going on. The client app connects to all 4 servers it needs a connection to. I can create a user on the server and all clients can login using it, I just can’t get notes to sync.
Official docs here
I found this tutorial1 and this tutorial2
Tutorial2 makes this one port change to the official docker compose file but otherwise is seemingly the same as tutorial1:
notesnook-s3:
image: minio/minio:RELEASE.2024-07-29T22-14-52Z
ports:
- 9009:9000
- 9090:9090
With that change, and setting the port of the domain to 9090, I can access minio in the browser. But I don’t know if that’s necessary or not. I’m stumped.
I’ll give it a look. I’ve been using Joplin since Evernote enshittified, and I didn’t know it had drawing support. I very rarely use Markdown, though. You can hide that with two interface tweaks, which I did years ago on my machines. (I have to look it up again every time I add a new machine, so it’s not perfect.)
Is Notesnook FOSS? I expect any closed-source software to enshittify over time. 🙁
Yes, it’s all open source and can be self-hosted. They run a paid plan, but if you self host then you get all the paid features free.
I came back here to say “It says right on their home page that it’s open source.” :-) I installed it & I’m running the importer now to see how well it handles large numbers of notes. Thanks much for the tip!
1 star reviews on the app store consistently mention sync issues and bugs that delete notes and don’t allow opening. Have you encountered any of this?
Not even once. The syncing has been incredibly robust for me. It also has a really nice flow for handling conflicts.
Of course, it’s worth keeping in mind that it can new self-hosted, so experiences will vary.
I’m using the self hosted version. Take from that what you will.
It’s also not open source. Totally people’s choice if they still want to use it, but that’s important to many. If so, I do predict you’ll eventually experience the inevitable enshittification…
One big plus for Obsidian in my book is that it’s just plain text. All your notes are stored in simple .md files
So even if Obsidian goes to shit you can use virtually any text editor to edit and view your notes
Plus it has a vim mode and allows css style changes since it’s Electron
Lots of limitations for markdown: No underlining No colors Limited table formatting
too bad it doesnt support handwriting i was looking for something to unify my handwritten and markdown note-taking
If you can, take a moment to upvote Drawing Support in their suggested features section; https://notesnook.com/roadmap/
Microsoft is working hard to get you to transition to a Linus Distribution. Thank you microsoft for your hard work and dedication.
People will never switch. I see at my work how colleagues just learn how to accept the endless shit without even reacting to it anymore.
I have some niche software for my racecar I can’t seem to get to run on Linux and it’s the only reason I’m still on Windows. Although now that I’ve finally got a new desktop, I can dual boot again.
Oh and I run a few games via the Xbox app so that kinda keeps me on there as well.
I have a copy of Techstream for my Toyotas that will only run on Windows. My laptop is set up to run it inside an XP VM with USB passthrough. Works just fine that way.
It’s the usual rename and replace that Microsoft love to do.
“OneNote for Windows 10” is going to be replaced by “OneNote for Windows”
Why they always do the kill, rename and replace instead of just replace with an update? Each kill&replace operation leads to lost users…
While OneNote for Windows 10 still has roughly half a year, Microsoft will start nagging users with update prompts much earlier. For starters, in June 2025, Microsoft will slow down the app’s sync performance, thus forcing customers to ditch the old app, especially those using OneNote on multiple devices or for real-time collaboration.
Next, in July 2025, banners will make their way to OneNote for Windows 10 to make sure users are aware of the upcoming end of support. Microsoft says these banners “could impact users workflows.” You do not say, Microsoft.
Wait. You’re gonna throttle them and then wait a month to tell them why you’re throttling them? What?
