It’s become clear to many that Red Hat’s recent missteps with CentOS and the availability of RHEL source code indicate that it’s fallen from its respected place as “the open organization.” SUSE seems to be poised to benefit from Red Hat’s errors. We connect the dots.

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Also SUSE: OpenSUSE needs to change their name because we say so

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There’s always been the risk of confusion and openSUSE project seemed to have understood that SUSE could disallow the name at any moment. A name change does make sense for both. Especially now that even Leap might be distancing itself from SLE and whatnot.

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A name change does make sense for both. Especially now that even Leap might be distancing itself from SLE and whatnot.

Agreed, but GeekOS or whatever it was they had on that oSC slide … Cheesus, they can do better than that.

Yeah, I get the mascot’s name is Geeko, so maybe that is where they’re getting GeekOS. But I think I read that the mascot has to go together with the name anyway.

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Cheesus, they can do better than that

On recent performance, no they can’t. I mean, they had the chance to use Driftwood and went with Slowroll.

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There is no “current proposal” at this point.

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There’s always been the risk of confusion

A name change does make sense for both

Then make SUSE become ClosedSUSE. It couldn’t be easier.

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To be fair, OpenSUSE is the only project with a name like that, so it makes some sense that they’d want it changed.
There’s no OpenRedHat, no OpenNovell, no OpenLinspire, etc.

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Maybe they should go with OpenGecko or OpenChameleon

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OpenGeeko?

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  • OpenLinux

  • OpenUnix

  • OpenJDK

  • OpenWatcom

  • OpenWebOS

  • OpenVMS

  • OpenOffice

  • OpenTF, briefly.

I think OpenNovell was a thing too.

Thing is, ‘Open-’ was the prefix for a LOT of derivations about 20 years ago. I’m surprised you’ve never heard of any.

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Not at all what my point was. There’s indeed plenty of Open-something (or Libre-something) projects under the sun, but no free/open spins of commercial projects named simply “Open<Trademarked company name / commercial offering>”.

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  • OpenLook
  • OpenMotif
  • OpenTransport on MacOS
  • SCO OpenServer
  • HP OpenMail
  • HP OpenView

You couldn’t throw a ball without hitting something branded as “Open” in that era.

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LibreLinux

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FreeSystemd

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Debian Stable.

It’s always the answer to "what distro do I want to use when I care about stability and support-ability.

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And, unlike CentOS, it can’t be legally taken over by a corporate entity and changed into something entirely different. Debian is owned by Debian.

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Maybe just not for corporate enterprise that wants phone and tech support? unless Debian has an Enterprise vendor? The PLM systems and other enterprise level software are certified on SUSE and RHEL, personally I haven’t seen Debian listed anywhere.

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I know at least of Freexian. But also, Ubuntu tends to cover the “Like Debian, but with enterprise support” niche.

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In my homelab I have Debian VMs originally set up with Debian 6 in 2011 which were upgraded another 6 major releases to now Debian 12 over the years. When I think about Debian I always get a very warm cozy feeling.

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As a user I wouldn’t use debian. Server yes, workstation, no.

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How come? I’m using it on a laptop now, and on quite a few servers. It does both things pretty well now.

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Because it’s not updated often enough. Fedora is stable and up to date. Especially fedora atomic has a huge added value compared to debian.

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This article reads like a press release from SUSE.

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No because the caption under the first image says that SUSE’s mascot is a ‘gecko named Geeko’ – which cannot be farther from the truth, for it is a Chameleon named Geeko, that is the mascot of SUSE. Aye.

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This seems like a PR release and has zero proof or data in the article to back itself up.

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Yep. I’ve seen nothing of the sort in the wild. Still Ubuntu and RHEL/Centos/Rocky/AMZ2 in the DC almost exclusively. The only things I’ve seen making a few inroads for practical applications are CachyOS and Clear Linux.

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Didn’t SUSE just ask openSUSE to change its name?

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Mmm, maybe. “Joining the dots” also can be read as “taking a lot of bad feeling about X, and some good activity about Y and exaggerating both”

EL is pretty dominant still, although much of that seems to be Rocky/Alma rather than RHEL, but there’s no way to get real numbers.

What I have seen is a lot of uptick in Debian and Ubuntu servers. We are moving away from EL towards Debian now because of what we perceive as ongoing instability in the EL ecosystem caused by Redhat. Our business depends on a reliable Linux OS so we’re doing the maths.

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Strange, I’ve not really seen that. Where I work we’ve just transitioned to RHEL. And Rocky/Alma are nowhere near as popular as RHEL.

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Interesting, thanks. Those I’ve spoken to moved from Centos to Rocky when that was killed, and I know of more that moved to Debian.

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Rocky Linux and possibly Alamalinux are the future if openSUSE is anything to go by

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Rocky doesn’t support the range or products needed to be “the” enterprise suite.

Heck you could even go Liberty Linux and have the same bins as Rock but support under SUSE, plus k8s, plus update management, plus security tools, plus k8s multi cluster, plus some ai thing to convince investors you are doing something with it.

Like, and all that’s great, but honestly still not “enough” all under one roof for some enterprise costumers who are just looking to turn a problem into an expense.

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Alma has been good for me the past year or so

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I mean use Rocky all the time. Its good for me as a Dev and engineer. Its just not what I would spend a lot of time trying to convince management to spend money on for support and such.

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Am I living under a rock? because I’ve never heard of Rocky and Almalinux lol

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Two direct continuations of CentOS aiming for full RHEL compatibility

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Yes. Is it moist under there?

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They are enterprise server oriented

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If you care at all about Red Hat Enterprise Linux or CentOS, yes. See the Dec 2020 announcement. https://blog.centos.org/2020/12/future-is-centos-stream/

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Context ? I’m out of the loop.

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OpenSUSE isn’t enterprise friendly for a many reasons. It lacks the features of rhel like systems and the simplicity of Debian. It somehow manages to be more complex and confusing than both

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OpenSUSE isn’t enterprise friendly for a many reasons.

Isn’t SLE targeted towards enterprise anyways?

It lacks the features of rhel like systems and the simplicity of Debian. It somehow manages to be more complex and confusing than both

I’m by no means an expert, but I don’t recognize this. Would you be so kind to elaborate?

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wow you are anti opensuse bullshit is so tiresome, first time I am thinking about blocking someone on lemmy, congrats.

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