Well put Mr. Tusk.

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Nobody is begging. Politicians are using “defence” as a leverage to enpower and enrich themself

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Seeing as I invented this meme I’ll overuse it

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And Germany is taking on 1 trillion Euros in new debt to protect against Russia, which is currently spending less on its military than the EU, while fighting a war.

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citation needed.

I’ve seen the €800b figure but that’s the EU as a whole, not Germany on its own

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Germany is currently planning a “whatever it takes” spending plan of 500 billion for infrastructure projects and an equally high, but potentially unlimited amount for defense.
https://www.ft.com/content/ee20978f-bbcd-4616-954c-7749dc5334fd

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So ok, that’s not one trillion.

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Over 10 years

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He knew that before Trump’s election but didn’t make it an issue. He also knows that it implies that Russia will never attack Poland, let alone Poland allied with Europe.

What’s the real need for the strengthened military?

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What’s the real need for the strengthened military?

same as it ever was

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Doesn’t Russia want to see Nato entirely gone?

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didnt europe send troops? and the us?

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No.

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isn’t nato formed by us and european troops/money/weapons? im pretty sure they were deployed there in numbers.

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There is tons of EU countries troops in Ukraine, but officially they are all “volunteers” and “mercenaries” but there’s also some more or less official NATO soldiers serving as military advisors, trainers etc. There’s also events like the Polish general Marczak suddenly dying in sketchy circumstances coincidentally on the same day when Russia heavily bombed one of the mercenary bases.

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Sorry, are you talking about Poland? Then yes, Poland is part of NATO and there is US presence there, I’m not sure about other countries having a presence there. I thought you meant Ukraine, which is not part of the NATO.

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Intent aside, wouldn’t it be easier to shore up current defences? Ukraine is already the NATO crumple zone, it would make more sense to keep them at that line.

Now for blind conjecture. Perhaps trump sold out Ukraine to allow Russia to have the minerals and oil of Ukraine. In exchange, Europe gets the constant threat of WW3. Americans, scared to stay where they’re at, but are more terrified by the prospects of open war as it sweeps across countries, stay on American shores.

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I don’t like referring to people fighting for their culture, society, family and future as a “crumple zone”.

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I’m not crazy about the concept, either, but I’m also going to call a spade a spade. When Ukraine falls, the front will shift to new borders, introducing war and displacement to new areas. If Russia advances, all of Europe will have been able to help prevent it, but did not. They would have let Ukraine get ground to dust for a few years, only to fall anyway. Sure, they helped a little, with training and supplies, but the death toll is uniquely Ukrainian.

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Seriously, what in the lack-of-empathy did I just read? Empathy isn’t that hard. Imagine you lived there. Your loved ones. How would you feel about it then?

Edit for grammar.

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Empathy might be hard. It just depends on the Person, mental state, perspective, etc.

If empathy would be easy, then why did Trump win?

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