i left reddit for good today with their obvious attempt at controlling the narrative like the rest of big social media. long live the lemmy federation

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All the people praising Luigi say “this does nothing” when someone suggests an alternative to just shooting CEOs. Well you know what did nothing? Shooting Brian Thompson did nothing. United Health Group just hired a new CEO to run his division, and the real oligarchs continued looting the country even harder than before.

So no, they don’t feel threatened. The top oligarchs like Elon barely even registered it. If you wanna know what they’re afraid of, look at where they spend money - buying politicians and opposing attempts to regulate them and break up their monopolies. Lucky for them there is no well funded lobby for consumers, people denied health care, or even the poor and middle class generally. Tell the next Luigi to work on that if you really wanna scare these people.

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His goal wasn’t to make sure the CEO of United Healthcare stopped harming people.

His goal was to make sure Brian Thompson stopped harming people.

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BCBS reversed their decision to not cover anesthesia like a day after Thompson got deposed. It turns out direct action is actually effective

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The top oligarchs like Elon barely even registered it.

Elon admitted to Jon Rogan a week or two ago that he’s using his kid as a human shield to protect himself from an assassin.

If you wanna know what they’re afraid of, look at where they spend money - buying politicians and opposing attempts to regulate them and break up their monopolies.

Actually, mob justice and dying actually does scare them. It’s the one thing they can’t just buy their way out of.

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The very rising sentiment of Luigi Magione being a good man is the real threat, because before the October revolution, they realized that proletariat class was able to rise against the bourgeoisie. Is a revolution imminent? Maybe, it’s not completely certain. But we definitely will see true leftism in the rise.

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they were quick to quash the news around luigi, hence the momentum kinda died down, social media and MSM worked hard to turn the tide back to culture wars.

Witty is the head CEO of UHC, and hemsely is the Chairman of the group. Witty doesnt even care, in fact hes elated because they were all being investigated for insider trading, and thompson is a threat to the whole company because he can turn on them in a dime.

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One of several reasons it did nothing is that most Americans aren’t interested in action. Luigi is. I don’t think his is the only action or even the best, but if other people were taking action it would be a lot more effective.

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i mean yeah, generally when a society idolizes a killer, it’s not for a particularly good reason (society wise)

and before anybody tries to yap about it, no there would only be a potential long term benefit to this kind of thing, slight shift in politics, maybe on the extreme end a government uprising, which will take many a year to come to fruition, and cause many years of instability. Generally these kinds of things only bring short term problems, when acted upon, humans are just animals, the salem witch trials happened for a reason, if left unchecked, this would turn into a bloodbath very quickly. Lots and lots of people would die. most of them not billionaires.

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The romanticisation of a murderer is quite frankly astounding. You can agree with his side of the discussion and not be ok with murder. I don’t think enough people get that.

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You’re not wrong, but you’re getting down voted… Lemmy, you crazy.

Everyone is allowed an opinion.

In my opinion, when discussion doesn’t work, action is required, and sometimes that action is wacking a dude to prove a point, or simply to remove the harm they’re causing to society.

I’ll give an example. Hitler.

Do I need to say more?

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5 points

It’s because nuance in an internet discussion is very hard. All people participating must target mutual understanding and not just trying to win an argument.

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What are you even saying?

All throughout history, murder was almost a requirement for creating a better life for people. If we hit a point in society where murder is not okay, that takes away the one final chip the working class has against the rich.

Even just looking at the health insurance side of things, we’re talking about a horrible ethically misaligned industry that makes murder look like shoplifting. Ideally no murder has to happen, but it becomes a lot more grey from a utilitarian perspective and when considering the sheer scale that the world operates at.

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Murder has been ok? When?

Maybe for criminals, or witches if you like the salem witch trials, but last i checked everybody hates those.

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10 points

Are you talking about Luigi or about CEOs?

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18 points

The CEO was responsible for thousands of deaths, and the law doesn’t give a fuck. It was all legal.

In this case, I’m genuinely ok with the murder.

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You can be against the actions of health insurance companies and not be ok with murder.

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I’m not just okay with it, I endorse it as much as Brandenburg v Ohio allows me to. People should be out there bringing actual justice to legal mass murderers.

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it’s definitely interesting, personally i dont really care what you do as long as it’s consistent, if you think what luigi did is based, then sure, but you better also say that murder is based. Otherwise you’re being hypocritical.

People just want to pick and choose who dies, which again, if you like murder, by all means, please.

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why would you leave reddit just to talk about reddit

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For the same reason we talked on reddit about twitter and facebook all the time. It were previous systems some of us spend the better part of a decade on. It is interesting to share the impression while watching together the Vesusvius erupting and sealing Pompeii and discussing its last chapter.

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It is interesting to share the impression while watching together the Vesusvius erupting and sealing Pompeii and discussing its last chapter

People said the same thing around the API changes, and it seems more like being bitterly obsessed with an ex. Would I love to see the downfall of any major social media site? Sure, but that’s different than being part of a community that is constantly discussing a website you used to go to.

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These things take time. I was a reddit user for 10+ years and left 3 years ago. Since then, reddit is in a downspiral. Whenever I visit Reddit (I still do, without an account) I can hardly recognize the place. There is no hourly changing Frontpage anymore. I sometimes see things that are 1-2 days old. Crazy worn down place.

Why you click on this if you do not want to participate? I have no interest in this discussion with you. If you need the reddit falldown happen in the timespan of a tiktok video, this is up to you. Rome didnt burned down in a day. Those system erode, corrode and fall apart over long times.

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Why would you come to c/reddit just to ask why someone would talk about reddit

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Why would you come to c/reddit just to ask why someone would talk about reddit

That’s perfectly reasonable, no? See c/reddit on my frontpage, click and ask why

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Perfectly reasonable for frolicing with smug delight.

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Because we can’t talk about reddit on reddit

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If you’ve replaced the functionality of reddit in your life, and reddit itself is heading in a direction you don’t approve of, why continue discussing it?

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For me, it’s because I invested 13 years into that website, as a mostly-apolitical, slightly left-of-center normie; and then one day they decided that saying “we need to be punching Nazis” or “fuck Elon” is somehow too extreme now, and something we don’t talk about anymore (even in hypotheticals or semi-jest - I mean most of us are just keyboard warriors ffs, and we ain’t out there punching anybody).

Back in my day, saying “we should punch Nazis” was a good thing.

So yeah, I harbor some resentment. I lost some connections with some nerdy, niche, non-political interests and hobbies of mine, just because I hate Fascism so, so very much, and I was willing to say so.

So, fuck them.

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Why not? Is not like they are banning here for discussing Reddit.

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funny thing is your not allowed to discuss reddit bans on reddit, which will result in you get banned down the line.

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Happened to me. I didn’t say anything too radical (something about punching Nazis), but discussing the temporary ban resulted in a permanent ban.

They’re really clamping down on people saying not-very-radical anti-Fascist things.

Good riddance.

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Oh don’t worry - Lemmy will soon have people posting child porn, gore, or other things en-masse before reporting the site/domain. I’ve seen it on almost every Reddit alternative since Digg shut down.

They’ll run hit pieces against this place for being extremist, they’ll do all sorts of nasty shit.

So first they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.

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Reddit has CSAM on it. Reddit has a subreddit selling porn that is now known to feature CSAM. I along with a few others tried to kill it. We’re all here now.

Lemmy has already had CSAM instances.

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Permanent prison sentence

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very gross, some of the medical subs were getting close to CP because minors were asking about “skin conditions” and they were showing thier private areas, and perverts were rushing into dming those people, i think the mods shut that down very quickly.

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I remember growing up we’d be graded down on our writing papers if we used an acronym without spelling out what it meant the first time.

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child sexual abuse materials

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how well known is the sub? Are we talking like, 30 users, or like 300k users.

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Small which is likely why they never killed it.

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reddit did have problems with that in medical subs. i dont think most of them are heavily moderated(i think there is more moderation now) because minors were being contacted by perverts to show them more. and some users were shocked that there was a part-time teenager modding that NSFW sub, also theres significant amount of self-harm glorifying posts too. the 2 subs i know that are very restrictive is askdoc and dental on what you can even comment or post.

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I wonder how resistant to that Lemmy will be, with the whole federation thing. Harder to ban it when it’s not just one domain.

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Yeah, I mean I barely understand this federated stuff. To my understanding, each instance has their own rules. I can’t post nudes on my Lemmy.ca to my understanding. I think if there’s an instance that is running “afoul” then the instance I connect with can block the entire instance?

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Yep, that’s how we roll. Others can tell you the details. I’m just an end user. On my end I can block nazi’s, or anyone I don’t like. u/universalmonk was one, acted so surprised when I blocked and didn’t want to explain why. Funny thing, if you can block someone for being an asshat, suddenly they are less encouraged to do that, and have to find a more socially acceptable way to be. Cheers.

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Already happened to world iirc

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