201 points

I’d pay extra for no AI in any of my shit.

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111 points

I would already like to buy a 4k TV that isn’t smart and have yet to find it. Please don’t add AI into the mix as well :(

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38 points

Look into commercial displays

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45 points

The simple trick to turn a “smart” TV into a regular one is too cut off its internet access.

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12 points

I was just thinking the other day how I’d love to “root” my TV like I used to root my phones. Maybe install some free OS instead

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You can if you have a pre-2022 LG TV. It’s more akin to jailbreaking since you can’t install a custom OS, but it does give you more control.

https://rootmy.tv

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All TVs are dumb TVs if they have no internet access

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6 points

We got a Sceptre brand TV from Walmart a few years ago that does the trick. 4k, 50 inch, no smart features.

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3 points

I just disconnected my smart TV from the internet. Nice and dumb.

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5 points

Still slow UI.
If only signage displays would have the fidelity of a regular OLED consumer without the business-usage tax on top.

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Signage TVs are good for this. They’re designed to run 24/7 in store windows displaying advertisements or animated menus, so they’re a bit pricey, and don’t expect any fancy features like HDR, but they’ve got no smarts whatsoever. What they do have is a slot you can shove your own smart gadget into with a connector that breaks oug power, HDMI etc. which someone has made a Raspberry Pi Compute Module carrier board for, so if you’re into, say, Jellyfin, you can make it smart completely under your own control with e.g. libreELEC. Here’s a video from Jeff Geerling going into more detail: https://youtu.be/-epPf7D8oMk

Alternatively, if you want HDR and high refresh rates, you’re okay with a smallish TV, and you’re really willing to splash out, ASUS ROG makes 48" 4K 10-bit gaming monitors for around $1700 US. HDMI is HDMI, you can plug whatever you want into there.

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I don’t have a TV, but doesn’t a smart TV require internet access? Why not just… not give it internet access? Or do they come with their own mobile data plans now meaning you can’t even turn off the internet access?

Anti Commercial-AI license

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15 points

They continually try to get ob the Internet, it’s basically malware at this point. The on board SoC is also usually comically underpowered so the menus stutter.

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7 points

A lot of TVs are requiring an account login before being able to use it.

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4 points

I’m sure that’s coming up.

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3 points

As a yearly fee for DRMd televisions that require Internet access to work at all maybe

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1 point

Right now it’s easier to find projectors without it and a smart os. Before long tho it’s gonna be harder to find those without a smart os and AI upscaling

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81 points

The dedicated TPM chip is already being used for side-channel attacks. A new processor running arbitrary code would be a black hat’s wet dream.

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51 points

It will be.

IoT devices are already getting owned at staggering rates. Adding a learning model that currently cannot be secured is absolutely going to happen, and going to cause a whole new large batch of breaches.

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66 points

The “s” in IoT stands for “security”

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5 points

Do you have an article on that handy? I like reading about side channel and timing attacks.

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19 points

TPM-FAIL from 2019. It affects Intel fTPM and some dedicated TPM chips: link

The latest (at the moment) UEFI vulnerability, UEFIcanhazbufferoverflow is also related to, but not directly caused by, TPM on Intel systems: link

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That’s insane. How can they be doing security hardware and leave a timing attack in there?

Thank you for those links, really interesting stuff.

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2 points

It’s not a full CPU. It’s more limited than GPU.

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That’s why I wrote “processor” and not CPU.

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A processor that isn’t Turing complete isn’t a security problem like the TPM you referenced. A TPM includes a CPU. If a processor is Turing complete it’s called a CPU.

Is it Turing complete? I don’t know. I haven’t seen block diagrams that show the computational units have their own cpu.

CPUs also have co processer to speed up floating point operations. That doesn’t necessarily make it a security problem.

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68 points

I would pay for AI-enhanced hardware…but I haven’t yet seen anything that AI is enhancing, just an emerging product being tacked on to everything they can for an added premium.

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27 points

In the 2010s, it was cramming a phone app and wifi into things to try to justify the higher price, while also spying on users in new ways. The device may even a screen for basically no reason.
In the 2020s, those same useless features now with a bit of software with a flashy name that removes even more control from the user, and allows the manufacturer to spy on even further the user.

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19 points

It’s like rgb all over again.

At least rgb didn’t make a giant stock market bubble…

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12 points

Anything AI actually enhanced would be advertising the enhancement not the AI part.

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9 points

My Samsung A71 has had devil AI since day one. You know that feature where you can mostly use fingerprint unlock but then once a day or so it ask for the actual passcode for added security. My A71 AI has 100% success rate of picking the most inconvenient time to ask for the passcode instead of letting me do my thing.

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9 points

DLSS and XeSS (XMX) are AI and they’re noticably better than non-hardware accelerated alternatives.

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Already had that Google thingy for years now. The USB/nvme device for image recognition. Can’t remember what it’s called now. Cost like $30.

Edit: Google coral TPU

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I use it heavily at work nowadays. It would be nice to run it locally.

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14 points

You don’t need AI enhanced hardware for that, just normal ass hardware and you run AI software on it.

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2 points

But you can run more complex networks faster. Which is what I want.

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4 points

https://github.com/huggingface/candle

You can look into this, however it’s not what this discussion is about

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2 points

An NPU, or Neural Processing Unit, is a dedicated processor or processing unit on a larger SoC designed specifically for accelerating neural network operations and AI tasks.

Exactly what we are talking about.

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1 point

I’m curious what you use it for at work.

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1 point

Not the guy you were asking but it’s great for writing powershell scripts

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I’m a programmer so when learning a new framework or library I use it as an interactive docs that allows follow up questions.

I also use it to generate things like regex and SQL queries.

It’s also really good at refactoring code and other repetitive tasks like that

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44 points

Only 7% say they would pay more, which to my mind is the percentage of respondents who have no idea what “AI” in its current bullshit context even is

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10 points

Or they know a guy named Al and got confused. ;)

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7 points

Maybe I’m in the minority here, but I’d gladly pay more for Weird Al enhanced hardware.

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2 points

Hardware breaks into a parody of whatever you are doing

Me - laughing and vibing

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2 points

A man walks down the street He says why am I short of attention Got a short little span of attention And woe my nights are so long

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7 points

I figure they’re those “early adopters” who buy the New Thing! as soon as it comes out, whether they need it or not, whether it’s garbage or not, because they want to be seen as on the cutting edge of technology.

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39 points

I am generally unwilling to pay extra for features I don’t need and didn’t ask for.

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raytracing is something I’d pay for even if unasked, assuming they meaningfully impact the quality and dont demand outlandish prices.
And they’d need to put it in unasked and cooperate with devs else it won’t catch on quickly enough.
Remember Nvidia Ansel?

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