65 points

Dem’s aren’t even putting in the minimum effort into pretending to be an opposition party.

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9 points

They’re gladly letting it all burn because they lazily expect it to mean easy wins in 2026. Then they’ll manage to barely take the House and maaaaybe Senate, and literally do nothing with it.

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8 points

cuz that worked so well this year. got booty clapped by a felon. utterly waffle stomped right back to the segregation days by this diaper clad casino salesman.

they’re fucking done. they ain’t participating in 2026 as anything but a joke write-in

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4 points

Sooo when does a new sane party appear ?

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8 points
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Fuck em. Saves me the grief of having to convince others they are a sunk cost and investing into them is like robbing ourselves because we never get anything of value back. Or if we do it’s canceled out by all the other shit we conceded to corporate america.

Think of Martin, that dude didn’t get shit from the dems until he was orginized and marching. The dems weren’t on a path to provide rights. He did all the heavy lifting and they slithered into his camp and got him killed.

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59 points

It’s all of you.

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Not me. I want the zealots all beheaded. Yea, what they’re doing is illegal and I also* voted. But now it’s chop chop time. I should start a website to get 15% of the population to agree with me on a specific day. Kind of like The General Strike. But with more axe.

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12 points

OK. But what are you actually doing right now? What are any of us doing right now?

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19 points

I’m talking to like minded people overseas about preparing resources to help at-risk people evacuate the United States. I’m also accumulating an emergency fund and arming myself. I will continue to masquerade as a cis white dude so I can move mostly unimpeded. I plan to help people get to New England as a staging point–it will remain RELATIVELY less dangerous than most other parts of the country here–where they might have a chance of SURVIVING LONG ENOUGH to cobble their shit together enough that they can legally get overseas from here without violating a visa and getting deported back to this shithole.

I will also continue attempting to practice the art of not tipping off the enemy by giving them any warning that I might be a threat to them. I must swaddle myself in the flayed skin of civility. I must smile politely and patiently to their faces. I must lull them into feeling safe around me. I must wait until their back is turned. And then I can personally drag them to hell by the neck. Hopefully when nobody else will witness it.

There needs to be fewer fascists in America. One way or another. I’d rather see them convinced rationally to peacefully change their minds and stop being fascists. If they remove that option, well, they get lie in the beds they’ve shat.

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4 points

Learning about firearms to teach targeted groups. Teaching people about online alternatives for secure communication. Maintaining an antiICE communication network. Building an independent news source RSS so friends and family can get off Meta.

You?

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3 points

I like where you’re going but the general strike stuff is suppose to be the step in between, ya know. It’s like a bit of a comprise before chop chop time. Just like hey guys we mad and have orginized and are willing to sacrifice.

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6 points

Not me, I’m on a whole other continent, watching the blaze, hoping it doesn’t spread too far.

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55 points

Better than not voting and doing nothing.

The best would be voting and being an activist.

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32 points

The US is not a democracy, it’s a capitalist dictatorship.

Some Background: History conditions much of our thinking about our political systems and most Western democracies resemble Rome’s in 60 BC when, as Robin Daverman humorously says, three aristocrats–politician Julius Caesar, military hero Pompey and billionaire Crassus–formed a backroom alliance that dominated the elected senate. The oligarchs ensured that proletarii votes changed nothing and that the masses remained invisible unless they rioted or died in one of the elites’ endless civil wars. Two thousand years later, in Britain’s general election of 1784, the son of the First Earl of Chatham and Hester Grenville, sister of the previous Prime Minister George Grenville, and the son of the First Baron Holland and Lady Caroline Lennox, daughter of Second Duke of Richmond, offered voters offered a choice of dukes. Today, in many European countries (even egalitarian Sweden) ‘democracy’ is a mere veneer over powerful feudal aristocracies that still control their economies. American voters recently watched a former president’s wife competing with a former president’s brother being defeated by a billionaire who installed his daughter and son-in-law in important government positions and ensured that, as John Dewey said, “U.S. politics will remain the shadow cast on society by big business as long as power resides in business for private profit through private control of banking, land and industry, reinforced by command of the press and other means of propaganda”. Most Western politicians are related by marriage or wealth and have, like all hereditary classes, lost sympathy with the broad mass of their fellow citizens to the extent that, as American political scientists Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page found, ‘the preferences of the average American appear to have a near-zero, statistically non-significant impact upon public policy’

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6 points

Okay, and? How does voting harm us? Not voting does a lot more harm.

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If your democracy is staged like reality TV, then it does nothing.

Does voting in a capitalist dictatorship work? It got the US to where it is now. Doing the same strategy over and over again, when proven that historically things keep getting worse, should tell you that not only is it a pointless strategy, it’s actively harmful because it draws energy into an electoral contest that does nothing to improve people’s lives.

Bourgeois democracy is an elaborate theatre piece used to keep people distracted, and give them the illusion of choice.

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Both voting and not voting have the same effect. Nothing. It is not a democracy and pretending you are in one does fuck all.

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0 points

Even if one accepts the argument that voting is not productive, that doesn’t inherently justify not participating. There’s plenty of things people do daily that are not productive or useful uses of their time.

Please demonstrate the harm caused by voting in the presidential elections.

Even if it’s not productive, it takes at absolute worst case living in a hellscape without properly staffed polling places, one day out of your time every four years. I was able to do it and get back to my shit in 30 minutes this time, from the time I left home to the time I got back.

So even if it’s useless, for me it was the same as sitting on my ass and watching a TV show. Explain why that is such a horrendous waste of my time that I should have instead not done it at all.

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15 points

The harm is simple, people get the illusion they’re making a difference and that it’s enough, it also legitimizes voting as the way to change things despite ample evidence it doesn’t.

This leads to Dems hating protestors, or telling protestors to protest quietly and no in the road. This leads to liberals hating the working class when they go in strike, because why didn’t they just vote for better conditions. It leads to liberals hating anything useful, because they already did the only ‘useful’ thing and voted.

This leads to lesser evilism and accepting institutions as the foundation of society, instead of any ideology that will positively change things.

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12 points

Worse would be discouraging voting and activism. Instead try to tell people that nothing they do matters and just bend over and take it up the ass

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You are free to participate in any kind of meaningless gestures and genuflection to make yourself feel better, but the US is a controlled authoritarian oligarchy with democratic window dressing and not a democracy in any meaningful way.

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Look, if you aren’t going to do anything else, you might as well vote. It’s the best you can do. And even if you are active, you should still vote.

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Right, I said you are free to do any meaningless gestures you want

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32 points

Laws mean nothing if the Dictator in chief can break them without consequence.

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Yeah, there’s not exactly a lot of options for those of us with front row seats to the US being dismantled.

This idealism around a violent revolution to resolve our problems is asinine. Protests are nice, but even they won’t solve the key issue: we have a king that ignores laws right now, and we’re being ruled by a kletocratic corporatocracy.

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21 points

I’m starting to see people rile up, fortunately, but it’s not enough. I’m going down to my states senate office with a megaphone and gonna stir some shit up. You should too. People are like lemmings, they won’t act until you do.

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