This is Left Praxis, LIBERALS would never understand the 4d chess involved in how Trump winning helps Palestine and American minorities.
We need to be able to criticize politicians. Not wanting criticism is the fascist thinking.
It’s funny how that criticism always seems to be focused on the more left of the politicians running, and how it’s always expressed in stark moral terms and often with a pledge to never vote for such-and-such, to encourage votes for candidates who have no hope of winning but can split the left vote, or loudly announcing that both sides are the same and that the left candidate is a fascist same as the actual right-wing fascist.
Sure, the right doesn’t leave room for criticism the same way the left does. There is no problem with having morals, and using your morals to influence your vote. If you morally think that voting for the Democrats makes sense due to vote-splitting, keep advocating for that. Other people will advocate for what they feel morally strong for. You definitely added a bunch of other random, unrelated rants in here.
They’re not unrelated, because they’re all advocated for online by people who claim to be “leftist”, and they all result in the right winning.
Feel free to disagree with them on their merits or not instead of just calling them unrelated. You sound like you’re criticising @PugJesus for lumping a bunch of stuff together, but here you are dismissing them all purely because you claim they’re all irrelevant.
Who told you you can’t criticize politicians and work within the existing system?
Oh, fuck off with this bullshit. Anyone politically conscious enough to call themselves a leftist is overwhelmingly more likely to cast a Biden vote than pretty much any other group you could carve out.
The left tells centrist morons how to appeal to average Americans. Centrist morons ignore the left. Average Americans stay home on election day. Centrist morons assume it’s because they’re leftists since the leftists warned them .
It’s bad enough the left has to keep voting for establishment goons. It’s intolerable that we are the first place they look for a scapegoat when they fall on their fat asses. Hillary lost because of Hillary, and that’s on the Democratic establishment and primary voters who nominated an arrogant hag.
Anyone politically conscious enough to call themselves a leftist is overwhelmingly more likely to cast a Biden vote than pretty much any other group you could carve out.
Jesus, do you know how many people on here regularly swear against voting for Biden?
The left tells centrist morons how to appeal to average Americans.
Sweet Jesus, have you ever talked to an average American?
I support carving out more left positions, but if there is an electoral advantage, it would be in motivating left-leaning voters who are not deeply involved in the political process, not in swaying the ‘average American’ positively.
Like, man, I would love it if most people were left-leaning, but hearing this line time and time again, at this point it rings as hollow to me as the semiannual “I, a City Liberal, had waffles with these Common Folk and they’re Not That Bad” articles that come out from liberal publications before every fucking election.
Living here, it’s a different story.
And you think that is evidence of something? The exit polling was crystal clear. Bernie supporters overwhelmingly voted for Hillary in 2016 and for Biden in 2020. Who the fuck cares what online trolls say?
In the case where leftists might say they won’t vote for Biden, odds are that they are venting or pushing for a better candidate. When it’s Trump or Biden, most will come around unless some idiot causes them to harden their position. That’s pretty much the standard human reaction to this kind of post.
If you are really concerned that the left won’t show for Biden, there are ways of approaching the topic that aren’t designed to alienate. You are far more likely to push people away than convince them to vote for Biden with your tone-deaf chastisements.
You might have fooled yourself that this is about helping Biden win, but that’s bullshit. You are scratching an itch to declare your moral and intellectual superiority to the Internet. You don’t give a flying fuck about the election, you just want to be smug. If you really cared about the election then you would find a better approach.
Who the fuck cares what online trolls say?
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Me. Obviously. Since I’m bitching about it.
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After 2016, I’m very wary of ignoring the influence of trolls on discourse.
In the case where leftists might say they won’t vote for Biden, odds are that they are venting or pushing for a better candidate.
It’s funny, then, that it always seems to come along with lots of voter suppression. Spreading right-wing talking points, saying both sides are the same, playing up the idea of a ‘protest vote’ to anyone who will listen…
If you are really concerned that the left won’t show for Biden, there are ways of approaching the topic that aren’t designed to alienate. You are far more likely to push people away than convince them to vote for Biden with your tone-deaf chastisements.
I’m not trying to convince the self-proclaimed leftists. The self-proclaimed leftists who engage in this bullshit are not people who are working on values that are compatible with a vote for anything except fascism.
Propaganda, if unchallenged or tolerated, changes communities. I’ve seen it happen with various forums - and now I feel a little old. Man, I’m not deluded enough to think that memes on here are going to create a surge of suddenly-shamed pseudoleftists to cast their votes for Biden. I just don’t want their talking points justifying fascism and genocide to be welcomed, or propagate in the same way that gossip does, or be normalized in this community.
At best, sustained effort might choke out a vector of a vector of misinformation which may have swayed a voter. As intended, it’s not even about that much. There’s other work than posting memes to be done for actually getting out the vote and generating enthusiasm. This? This is a step above posting ordinary memes, but only a step. Insofar as it has a purpose, the purpose is recreational (to maintain standards in a community I enjoy and vent), not civic. It’s not some great effort that will sway the election - but it can be enough to see useful idiots and fascists frequent decent communities less often.
Wow, you aren’t wrong. OP then goes on to do exactly what you’re saying, because they know they’re definitely better than the “pseudoleftists”.
What happened to the group that kept telling me Kennedy was going to save the world and that I’m personally committing genocide for voting Biden instead of him? Because they sure shut the fuck up after the brain worm incident.
They figured out that he was no longer a useful tool for suppressing left voters.
All we have is public perception and the outward message leftists want to put off is biden is worse than donald. Sure, when you corner them they may feign some semblance of reason about the ballot box but all I’ve seen is calls for third party and treating joe like he is sending the orders himself.
The key is, we can be upset, and we can fight for change but right now our efforts must be against trump. I pledge my own to comeback hard on biden if he somehow eeks out the win, but I doubt I’ll see any of you there. Just like 2020.
All we have is public perception and the outward message leftists want to put off is biden is worse than donald.
My personal favorite has been “If Trump was president at least Democrats would oppose these bad things out of contrarianism!”, completely ignoring that the stark and unconditional opposition to the party across the aisle is a Republican tenet.
My 2c as a non American: The politically active “far-left” will likely hold their noses & vote for Biden as “damage reduction”.
The non-voters will be the disenfranchised, suppressed and the “non-political”.
Then whatever happens, democrats will blame the “far-left” and talk about how they could have done better if only they’d appealed to some imaginary conservative swing voter who doesn’t exist.
As an American, let me assure you, there are plenty of swing voters. Altogether too many, honestly. People who are deeply political often spend their time around others who are deeply political, which colors their views significantly.
The Dem tendency to chase the swing voter is real, and counterproductive, but it’s not for an imaginary voter. The issue is that the swing voter they’re trying to appeal to isn’t voting on policy. They’re voting on feelings. So when the Dems move their policy right, they piss off and demoralize large amounts of left-leaning voters, but do only a little to sway swing voters.
I’ll end up voting for Biden. Not psyched about it, but pragmatically the alternative is so much worse. Might get shit from the ultratankies and hexbros, but I’d rather do damage control than whine about Biden and do nothing while an actual fascist snakes his way back in.
It doesn’t feel good. And it isn’t good. But this is the reality we live in at the moment.
Thank you, comrade. I mean it. 2000 wasn’t like this. 2004 wasn’t like this. 2008 and 2012 weren’t like this. The opposition was cretinous and eager to violate what rights they could, our failure to defeat them in 2000 and 2004 caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, minimum, and is a stain on our soul, but they weren’t a direct threat to democracy itself. More than happy to cheat if they could, but not trying to fundamentally dismantle the system. This? Trump? I don’t know that we would survive a second term - large amounts of ‘us’ and the republic itself.
The vote for the Dem candidate (one hopes not Biden) is essential against fascism.
Why is this meme literally left-leaning
I call it the leftist uncanny valley.
Believe it or not, you can actually get more far right lunatic. Nazi Neo-Pagan Occultism is the first thing that comes to mind just for the sheer crazy scale, but the American far right genuinely features some shit that manages to flank right against the Nazis, the difference is that they haven’t been able to solidify enough power to go as far as the Nazis did.
If you’d like to keep it that way, Vote.
i am from Germany an genuinly scared that people are walking around in the usa with swastika flags
Wait a fucking minute! Is the guy who posted this a Democratic socialist or a social democrat? I need to know before I react!
I am a leftist by nature, but I can’t get involved in all their madness. The pettiness and bickering is absolutely ridiculous. Quit smelling your own farts and actually fucking organize.
