Let’s look at evidence:
Well seeing as we:
- Call officers who hide as “undercover agents” but we call them in other countries “secret police” and
- We have police who hide in unmarked cars
- Both parties love cops more than its own citizens, increasing funds for cops than any regulation on them. One even has a cop as a VP.
- Cops aren’t required to know the laws they arrest you for
- “Innocent until proven guilty” is often a farce when you’re any form of minority, where people are killed on death row for crimes they never committed
- Cops are paid more for militarization than teachers and social programs who prevent future criminals
- Cops can shot anyone for any reason with a rare chance of even being punished for it by leaving to join a different police force
- The NSA, FBI, and CIA know more of its citizens than neighbors know each other, despite it being illegal.
- Not even getting into how cops often crack down on citizens’ movements and protests, especially those of BIPOC and Queer.
I’m going to go with “Since at least 2001, way longer if you’re any form of minority.” China learns from the Americans, like Nazi Germany did from our treatment of its citizens.
White Nationalists will tell you that all this is to protect you from the evil foreigners, and it will magically go away as soon as we’ve “won”.
They’ll also tell you the Deep State has been overrun by (((communists))) and you can’t trust the government to do anything right. That’s why they need supreme executive power to clean the swamp.
Whichever way you turn, the answer to the current moment is always “more bigger deadlier cops”.
China learns from the Americans, like Nazi Germany did from our treatment of its citizens.
The Red-Baiting is a big part of what makes our national security state such a cancerous mass. We have to become China to beat China. And we need to believe China is the worst thing we can possibly think of (Nazis), when our modern police/military state has already surpassed 1930s Germany by leaps and bounds.
So long as Americans are convinced that every other foreign country is either a crime ridden hell-hole or an open-air prison (or, paradoxically, both at once), we’ll continue to tolerate further erosion of civil liberties in hopes of relieving anxiety that the police state exists to impose on us.
Rethinking the war on drugs would be a serious step to change a lot of this.
They’ll let us all die before they ever consider that though.
when our modern police/military state has already surpassed 1930s Germany by leaps and bounds
This thread man… I don’t think you guys have much of an idea how bad Nazi Germany was. If you said stuff like this on the street over here in 1934 you’d end up in a concentration camp. Hans and Sophie Scholl were guillotined for distributing leaflets for fucks sake.
Call officers who hide as “undercover agents” but we call them in other countries “secret police” and
Holy shit dude, secret police and undercover pigs are not the same. Not that I harbor any sympathies for the pigs, but at least you live in a nation where people don’t just get disappeared. The Stasi and the Gestapo… those guys would laugh at your police. They could black bag you and noone would ever know what happened to you… you’d just disappear, no courts, no lawyers, no way to find out… just poof, gone in the night… Shit, the SRB alone killed half a million people in Uganda.
The Mississippi SovCom was a secret police and under Hoover the FBI could be called a secret police, but the mere fact that you can express this opinion here and now without fearing repercussions is a testament to how much you do not live under the thump of a secret police.
You’re spot on on the rest of your points, but this one error undermines your argument, don’t make it.
My bad, I meant the CIA blacksites that can detain citizens for no reason, the vans that kidnapped protestors during the BLM movement, and that the supreme court has ruled that of you’re near a border, you don’t have rights.
Hell, the Chicago PD had a blacksite modeled after CIA blacksites, called Homan Square. More than 7,000 people were detained there, and only 68 of them were ever allowed access to an attorney.
Wtf is even loitering? For some reason it reminds me of Skyrim guards going “No lollygagging”. Fucking made up sounding words.
“stand or wait around without apparent purpose”
In other words: please do not exist in this vicinity.
Are you serious? It’s illegal to just exist outdoors in the US? I think you’re serious but that’s just too comical to be real. Enjoying the sunset; straight to jail. Like what?
Not generally, as others have mentioned, this is probably owned by the CVS and they want to discourage people from hanging around their store if they have no business with the store.
To the extent it is illegal, then it’s in the domain of “trespassing” where the private property owner can decide you are no longer welcome. So if CVS “owns” that area, it may call on you for trespassing.
Generally this stuff exists either due to old racist laws. It was illegal to not be working in reconstruction South, and white former slave owners could offer low paying jobs to former slaves. If the former slaves refused, they could be arrested for not having jobs, and due to the exception on prisoners being slaves, they could be enslaved again legally.
Vagrancy and loitering were banned in what’s called the “black codes”.
It’s like jaywalking on an empty street or speeding 5 miles over the limit, they don’t enforce it unless they want to use the law to harass someone.
Jaywalking is another thing I first heard of like a month or so ago that sounds both ridiculous as a law and as a word.
Don’t the US have a range that your speed can be in? Like here you can be a bit over that’s within the margin of error of your speedometer (Can’t remember how much exactly since I haven’t driven a car in like 2 decades)
No, or at least not in the state I’m from. They have penalties in the statutes for 1-5 miles per hour over. Usually the cop or traffic court judge will use discretion to ignore tickets and penalties in such minor cases, but when you don’t codify that it can lead to more nefarious reasons for enforcing it.
It must be broken and thought she was a POC.
B&W is for the police stream. Not enough bandwidth for them and the 15k stalkerware data mining partners of the subcontracted police partner service.
This is theft of autonomy, and fascist authoritarianism. What an embarrassment of a disgusting society. Such products should come with a posted placard of every bureaucrat, CEO, developer, and sponsor of such an atrocity and violation of fundamental human rights. Anyone destroying such a system is a patriot and a hero in my opinion.
Funny how that whatever they are yelling at you for isn’t even loitering. Give them the finger and keep on doing whatever you are doing.
New York Consolidated Laws, Penal Law - PEN § 240.35 Loitering
Current as of January 01, 2021 | Updated by FindLaw Staff
A person is guilty of loitering when he:
1. Repealed by L.2010, c. 232, § 1, eff. July 30, 2010.
2. Loiters or remains in a public place for the purpose of gambling with cards, dice or other gambling paraphernalia; or
3. Repealed by L.2010, c. 232, § 1, eff. July 30, 2010.
4. Being masked or in any manner disguised by unusual or unnatural attire or facial alteration, loiters, remains or congregates in a public place with other persons so masked or disguised, or knowingly permits or aids persons so masked or disguised to congregate in a public place; except that such conduct is not unlawful when it occurs in connection with a masquerade party or like entertainment if, when such entertainment is held in a city which has promulgated regulations in connection with such affairs, permission is first obtained from the police or other appropriate authorities; or
5. Loiters or remains in or about school grounds, a college or university building or grounds or a children’s overnight camp as defined in section one thousand three hundred ninety-two of the public health law or a summer day camp as defined in section one thousand three hundred ninety-two of the public health law, or loiters, remains in or enters a school bus as defined in section one hundred forty-two of the vehicle and traffic law, not having any reason or relationship involving custody of or responsibility for a pupil or student, or any other specific, legitimate reason for being there, and not having written permission from anyone authorized to grant the same or loiters or remains in or about such children’s overnight camp or summer day camp in violation of conspicuously posted rules or regulations governing entry and use thereof; or
6. Loiters or remains in any transportation facility, unless specifically authorized to do so, for the purpose of soliciting or engaging in any business, trade or commercial transactions involving the sale of merchandise or services, or for the purpose of entertaining persons by singing, dancing or playing any musical instrument; or
7. Repealed by L.2010, c. 232, § 1, eff. July 30, 2010.
Loitering is a violation.
You’re totally right. Dunno why my brain went there thinking it was NYC. My bad.
So to clarify:
1: N/A
2: Gambling on the street
3: N/A
4: Masking up and hanging out, especially in a group, for potentially nefarious purposes
5: Hanging out in or around a school you have no business being at or in.
6: Selling shit on public transportation or transportation hubs.
With the exception of the mask thing (which should be repealed for health purposes. We should encourage people to mask up when they are sick, COVID or not), that all seems fairly reasonable, and not at all what is happening in the picture. Unless OP is wearing a mask, I suppose.
In general, loitering is hanging out “with intent to commit a crime.” If you aren’t planning to commit a crime, you aren’t loitering.
That’s a lot of expensive equipment in sledgehammer range.
Super soaker full of paint.
Or my favorite, black trash bag on a stick, because you can fasten the bag around the camera without actually damaging it, if youre concerned about getting caught and sued for damaged
Who doesn’t? Some can be almost 3 feet long. Pair that with being 6ft, and you could probably hit the camera. If not, just throw the sledgehammer like a javelin.
Standing on something is also viable