I hate that this is the debate we’re having now
I also hate that I’m feeding into the NYT’s lazy and transparent attempt to undo their previous partisanship with new opposite partisanship like those two things cancel out and add up to journalism
But what the hell, if that’s where we’re at, this is a relevant data point about the landscape
I’ll keep saying it: Joe Biden has been the best president of my lifetime. Everything good he did will be undone if Donald Trump wins, and unless the Democrat strategy hugely shifts (up to and including a new candidate) then Donald Trump is nearly certain to win.
~Fuck yeah~ (Edit: I had misread the last part of the comment I was replying to)
If he’s too old and someone else is better, then let’s do someone else. Figure out the plan, rock and roll with it, and get moving. Maybe Biden will or won’t be on board for that but that’s on him at that point.
But this idea that in response to a transparently partisan hit job, Biden is supposed to wander away from the campaign a few seconds before the motorcycle hits the jump-ramp and hope the most incompetent single faction in Washington puts together a last-minute clutch plan for victory - when they JUST DEMONSTRATED that they are gullible to bad ideas being force-fed to them by their enemies, and are in all likelihood going to bumble around trying to nominate Michelle Obama, or suddenly blame the whole mess on Biden for resigning, or whatever the fuck they do, for a while before finally just putting Kamala in place and watching her crash and burn because few of the problems Biden was facing were caused by anything about Biden - is absurd, and Biden is right to laugh it out of the room and continue campaigning.
Figure out an actual plan which you can pitch in all these anguished op-eds, or start trying to poach his delegates to usurp him, or fuckin do SOMETHING other than running around doing your best to lose the election
I think the main issue is that it would be much, much better if Biden stepped aside willingly. As in, better enough that it will significantly impact election results. I think this is largely a pressure campaign to get him to do that.
If trump were forced out as candidate, then he’d go thermonuclear and destroy the Republicans.
If Biden were forced out as candidate, he’d get a heads up and claim it was his idea and work with the party to transition.
There’s no way he’d leave kicking and screaming, though at the same time unless it was a done deal, he’s going to claim to be 100% in, cause the second he starts to show any doubt, he’s already destroyed his campaign.
The problem is that many of us believe that Biden is our best hope even still.
If we had a strong candidate that we felt could rally the party this late in the game, that would be one thing. But IMO, we don’t. Every potential candidate has major hurdles that would take more than 4 months to smooth out.
Newsom is already the Right’s boogeyman. They targeted him years ago and made him the next Hillary Clinton because they saw him as a threat. I think he’s a generally strong Dem candidate for the future, but the Right has managed to brute force negativity to his name that it’s going to take some time to fight.
Harris just isn’t well liked. She’s a bit of a dead fish candidate. I have no idea what she has been up to, all interviews I’ve seen of her, she holds her cards very close to her chest, and because of it, comes off bland and uninteresting. I do not see her doing well against Trump at this point.
Whitmer just isn’t recognizable enough at large. She’d need more time to establish herself.
Honestly, despite the very legitimate concerns with Biden after the debate and following appearances, he’s still the strongest candidate IMO. There could have been stronger candidates had he stepped down from the beginning, but the time left is insufficient for the front runner candidates, even if we picked one today.
Curious and not knowledgeable about the politic system of the USA but Harris appears to be the current VP. Shouldn’t she be entirely in the loop? This would substitute perfectly; And Biden could still be VP if he is (and to me apparently he does) in for the purpose of the American citizen?
I had this thought and saw something today about the election were Biden-Harris was mentioned. FINALLY I thought. Is there something I am missing?
Obama implemented ACA and a lot of people benefit from it without even knowing it.
He could have done much more if it wasn’t because he was black. Yes, I said it. The GOP was relentless against him, to the point of even shutting the government twice. I will never forgive them for it.
Joe Biden has been the best president of my lifetime.
Are you four years old?
Some of the shills were swearing to me the other day that they were around in the 1990s and they and all their friends were super excited about how Bill Clinton balanced the federal budget, and then Obama was this big swing to the right, which Biden was a continuation of, like light-years to the right of the progressive sea change that Clinton had been…
My brother in Christ I was around activists in the 90s and the Obama years and I can promise you that that’s not how it played out. Depending on your age and how much you know about Biden’s economic accomplishments, Biden is either the best president the country has had in your lifetime or the second best. Full stop. For, I think, almost anyone who’s of an age to be realistically on Lemmy. The only way to make it any different than that is to go all the way back to JFK, and then still on top not to be aware of what’s been happening to income inequality in the last few years.
Biden will lose. This is a critical juncture, just like 2016, and the Dems are going to fuck it up again, and then blame the voters for not voting when they had every opportunity as a party to correct their shit and not put a person who actually can’t form coherent sentences as their candidate.
If this is the best they can do, then the party needs major reforms. They are handing this to Trump.
Who do you think should replace Biden?
I am holding a graph of poll numbers comparing Biden with other Democratic nominees vs Trump, which I plan to send you once you have made your selection
So you’re just straight-up announcing your intention to immediately dismiss any answer you’re given.
No, I am warning them that I plan to show the poll numbers comparing Biden to whoever they select. Dismissing is different from debunking with evidence. But yes, I plan to debunk whatever they say, assuming it’s realistic enough to be found in a list of even some pretty outlandish Democratic possibilities.
There is a person that Joe Biden specifically picked as his understudy, who is ready to step into the job at a moments notice. Why not her?
You will reply with a poll that says that she won’t do any better, but all those polls are working with a hypothetical. If Harris becomes the nominee, and that hypothetical becomes reality, I think the polls will show a real bump as well. She’ll lose about 20 or 30 votes from the ACAB posters here, yet gain tens of thousands more from people who might be on the fence about voting at all. And the only thing standing between us and Fascism is a few thousand votes from the right zip codes.
Yeah that’s fair
Not to say replacing Biden is automatically a bad idea. I am mostly reacting to the idea that that’ll solve all the problems and we should just do it right away and not think about exactly with who or what will happen next and if you have questions about the plan you’re the enemy (and also, for some reason, what seems to often go alongside it which is saying a bunch of stuff about Biden which objectively isn’t true).
Bernie can go fuck himself, he sold his soul for a committee chair position.
Or, maybe if someone with an excellent political trackrecord, a good moral compass and way more experience in the matter in gis left toe than you tells you something… it is time for you to listen instead of opening your noise hole.
I was curious where you were coming from with this… like if you had an actual point you might care to make or you were just being an asshole because you are Very Angry ™ for reasons.
Definitely the latter. Maybe posting here isn’t the best for your mental health.
I’m coming from a place where he talked one thing and ended up siding with the opposite, the very thing that he claimed to be against
Hey, quick question:
- There are 229 accounts in Lemmy that have used the phrase “Democratic Party” more than once in the last 6 months or so.
- There are 188 that have used the phrase “Republican Party” more than once.
- There are 25 that have used the phrase “Democrat Party” more than once
So that does kind of make sense… “Democrat Party” is something I pretty much never hear outside of conservative circles. In most of the left it’s un heard of. It always sounds really weird to me and I don’t think it would ever occur to me to use it. It’s not surprising that it’s so rare to hear it on Lemmy.
So what I’m wondering is why there’s so much overlap between the users who do use that very unusual phrasing and the ones who are SUPER left. Like really left. Like so left that they’re mad at Joe Biden and even Bernie SANDERS isn’t left enough for them, and they want people not to support those people. Because of course they’re not left enough.
Any thoughts on it? You’re on that list, both the using that phrase part and the being super left part. Can you remember where in your reading you might have picked up that phrasing and started using it?
All the socialist’s heads just collectively exploded into a mushroom cloud of abject confusion.
I think Sanders just saved Biden’s campaign.
I have my misgivings as well and I was leaning towards replacing Biden. I read the entire op/ed though and Sanders makes a very vehement defense for Biden. If Sanders thinks Biden is the best chance against Trump, then I’m ready to circle the wagons.
Jesus fucking Christ…what does it take to prove to Democrats that they are going to fucking lose?
He’s up 8 points before the shooting. That pic of him bloody and pumping his fist is all over EVERYTHING right now.
This election was over in the first 10 minutes of the debate. This is absolute victory at this point, and I think we lose Congress too, in a bad way.
If you’re not freaking out…I don’t know man…I just don’t know.
