The more I use lemmy, the more it begins to just feel like all the same problems reddit had. It has the same problems with major communities having far left moderation standards that only apply to the right, the same hive mind users that just spam the same tired out leftist talking points over and over while refusing anything close to an actual discussion.
The only upsides are that downvotes aren’t used to punish you site wide, and the handful of non-leftist instances that exist, though they always end up defederated by all the major instances, effectively making them poor spaces for general discussion.
So what are your thoughts? Is this just the “more like under new management” from megamind? Is there hope for it to become a decent platform for everyone, not just the left?
Edit: yeah, it’s just as bad. Fuck the retarded admins and fuck the left
Lemmy is definitely left leaning like most other “communities” on the internet but its nowhere near as bad as reddit and hopefully will not turn into that. You would probably enjoy gab if you are looking for somewhere that is friendly to conservatives, religion and free speech.
The reason I raised the concern is because even though we aren’t there yet, a significant portion of the user base seems to be trying to bring the platform in the same exact direction as reddit. Personally, I want it to become a platform where everyone can, and most importantly, does, participate. If I was just looking for the right wing equivalent of what people do here I wouldn’t be posting here at all.
Is lemmy just going to become reddit 2.0?
No. Lemmy is federated so it’s not going to run into the same problem of unabashed capitalists trying to eke out every of cent of profit they can from the platform. It has built in protections against all the things that ruined reddit.
Oh, you were talking about all the good points of reddit? Lol.
Lmao at least you’re honest enough to admit that reddit had a massive bias issue, even if you consider it a good thing
I’m not sure what you’re expecting. You joined a platform that is left leaning and expect what, everyone to self censor for your benefit? If you’re looking for a conservative safe space, you might want to try exploding-heads.
I wish I could expect the inverse of people like you - dishonest trolls who contribute nothing except brazen misrepresentations
Cope
My opinion is that there are a lot of far left people here, that part is true. I consider myself a socialist, but not so far left that I can’t criticize Russia, China or North Korea that some here seem to be.
The only right-wing instance that has been defederated was exploding-heads.com. I was part of that discussion, I voted to defederate and I would do it again. It was nothing to do with their politics for me, it was all about the hate speech. The posts there specifically calling for the death of trans people, holocaust denial and other big red lines for me was why I wanted the defederation to happen.
A conservative who acknowledges that minorities have human rights and that historical events really happened is absolutely A-ok in my book. We might not agree on our politics, but it’s still a conversation worth having.
The only right-wing instance that has been defederated was exploding-heads.com. I was part of that discussion, I voted to defederate and I would do it again
True. This instance is one of the better ones in terms of defederation, but unfortunately we don’t seem to be very popular in that stance. And given the nature of social media where ability to access content is a major factor, the more large instances that defederate, the worse the system as a whole gets in terms of ability to access that content.
Personally, I support a zero defederation policy, and also have accounts on those types of instances, but they’re heavily blocked by major instances, hence why I’m still here as well. I’m excited for when better apps come out for managing multiple accounts. It’s pretty annoying to have a bunch of web apps to use each different login whenever I end up going somewhere that doesn’t have federation.
A conservative who acknowledges that minorities have human rights and that historical events really happened is absolutely A-ok in my book. We might not agree on our politics, but it’s still a conversation worth having
I find that vanishingly few actual people (major media agitators aren’t in my books) actually hold the genuine belief that minorities don’t have rights, or aren’t deserving of them. It’s just that a lot of what progressives call rights isn’t a perspective shared by much of the conservative side of things, where you’ll generally find a more limited “life, liberty, property” set of beliefs, or at least derivative thereof.
Personally, I support a zero defederation policy
That is an untenable position imho. I hate to use the tired old trope of the nazi bar, but a true free speech approach has been tried over and over again, and each and every time has resulted in the worst drek imaginable, and everybody who wasn’t ok with that sort of drek leaving. Having a community worth having a discussion in requires moderation, and that extends to federated platforms too.
I find that vanishingly few actual people (major media agitators aren’t in my books) actually hold the genuine belief that minorities don’t have rights, or aren’t deserving of them
That isn’t true from my own very subjective experiences. Quite a few don’t even consider select minorities (different ones depending on region) are even fully human.
Of course that is not universal. My own father is a conservative, and we have many a long and interesting discussion. Those people do exist, but so do those who think of minorities as sub-human.
I’m perfectly fine with individual communities enforcing their own moderation policies, and individual users taking advantage of the plenty strong blocking tools at their disposal. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if people are already working on the equivalent of chain block from Twitter for lemmy already.
But at the level of federation, it represents basic fucking functionality of the site, and it should only be leveraged as a tool against things lot bot farms or the like. Why should the users who cry for moderation the moment a single thing they don’t like shows up need to run the ship? We should go back to the days of just telling them to not browse content they don’t want to browse, and to grow the fuck up.
Forgive the double commenting, lemmy doesn’t save drafts, and I don’t like losing partial comments while I close tabs.
That isn’t true from my own very subjective experiences. Quite a few don’t even consider select minorities (different ones depending on region) are even fully human
Could you give more concrete examples? I’m not particularly interested in defending (or not) the hypothetical someone, somewhere who holds some belief.
Considering your failed attempts at debate I’ve seen the problem is you don’t actually have any defenses of your positions and when that fails you fall back on projection. If you don’t want to feel isolated then you need to actually learn and understand how to have real debates and discussions and learn how to argue in good faith. Majority of people on fediverse expect arguments to have evidence and proof and not just anecdotal emotional response statements.
Lol nice lies pal. Maybe go pester all the leftist spammers in my responses that don’t even come close to any of the standards you’re laying out. If you’re only interested in jerking yourself off, there’s dozens of other communities where all your pinko pals are already started. I have no issues with debating in good faith, I just see no reason to give any benefit of the doubt to obvious bad actors who refuse to extend good faith themselves, such as yourself.
And this is why you are downvoted and ridiculed. You have zero self awareness or critical understanding. Your insults or attempts to ridicule mean literally nothing because people need to believe you have something worthwhile to say. And so far, all you are doing is projecting and spewing made up talking points. Make no mistake, I couldn’t give two shits what you end up doing or if you stay on the fediverse at all. I would love conservatives that actually had self awareness and could debate real conservative talking points, not trumpican vitriol. So far you are just another angry trumpican spewing out unverified talking points. And at no point does that kind of hate deserve a safe space, ever. Later
Lol keep up the bullshit pal, maybe you’ll earn yourself some fake internet points with it.