The amount of people here calling themselves āfar-leftā and regurgitating republican talking points is insane.
Going from calling Biden too old (which isnāt wrong but heās still the best viable option) to defending Russiaās invasion of Ukraine seamlessly.
(which isnāt wrong but heās still the best viable option)
Whoa, hey now I very much object to the certainty of this claim.
Yeah, David Axelrod, senior Obama strategist credited with Obamaās successful elections, Obama speech-writers and communications director, and now numerous long-serving Congressional democrats disagree but, totally the best viable option despite poll after poll showing heās massively down and Bidenās own current campaign strategists reporting they see no viable path.
If your ship hit the iceberg and is taking on water, any other nearby vessel is a better alternative. At worst, itās in the same condition. At best, itās not fucking sinking. 75% of likely voters say Biden is too old to run and Democrats have a better chance with someone else at defeating Trump.
Disclaimer: we need to jump ship now but Iāll vote for a corpse over Donald Trump. I just think weāll lose if we stick with Biden and the data shows it.
Why is Trump still attacking Biden so hard?
Because Trump is scared shitless of him.
Trump is scared shitless of everyone. Thatās what it is, being a paranoid thin-skinned narcissist with a brain rotted by stimulants and venereal disease. I wouldnāt trust Trumpās take on electoral calculus, for or against.
Trump has suddenly began attacking Kamala in speeches. Itās quite clear GOP agree Biden is their easiest opponent, too.
Trump just enjoys being mean and Biden is currently his opponent. When given the choice between shutting up and cruising to a victory and screaming nonsense(while cruising to a win because his supporters are objectively incredibly stupid people) heās gunna choose screaming nonsense every time.
Iām not sure Iād put much stock in modern polling.
A study suggests the debate had very little impact, but even if it didnāt, historically, changing candidates this late hasnāt worked out.
https://boingboing.net/2024/07/10/impacts-of-the-presidential-debate-far-overestimated.html
Unfortunately, historically, a split like this is unprecedented. By coming out against Biden publicly, Democratic congressmembers have forced the issue, and itās not going to result in Biden remaining our best chance, even IF he would have remained our best chance had they remained publicly silent.
Discussion aside, wtaf is boingboing.net? Iām even hesitant to click that link.
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Reliable pollsters are accurate albeit snapshots in time.
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Aggregate reliable polls even more so.
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Nate Silverās algorithm is over 90% accurate in its prediction model across thousands of races over the years.
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Cook Political Report is the gold standard.
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Even internal polls reported by democratic Congressional campaigns as well as the Presidentās team themselves admit theyāre behind.
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They were 10 points up at this time in 2020.
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If you arenāt going off this, what ARE you going off of, vibes? In one breath you say donāt put stock in polls, then point to an outlier? I mean, what!?
So you canāt comfort me saying that when Biden shouldāve come out 1 step ahead from that debate, he is not maybe only 1 step back as he has been for ages, but possibly 2 steps back.
Then the Democrats can pick someone else NOW and rally behind them. This constant undermining of Biden while not providing a good alternative and promoting them is just hurting Democrats chances to save democracy. This is irresponsible on such an obvious level I have to assume they are trying to lose the presidency.
Itās all about pressuring Biden in time before his nomination is locked in by the delegates. The moment that happens, this ends for better or worse.
Biden has to willingly step down, the Dem leadership made it clear they wonāt attempt to force him. Progressives canāt try to force it either or they will be excised from the party and simultaneously blamed for the inevitable loss.
Biden hasnāt held a full cabinet meeting since last year, so 25th amendment probably not happening either.
And so, ramping up the pressure on Biden to do the right thing by stepping down is the only viable option at this time. It sucks, but this is the bed Biden and the DNC made to lie in.
Unfortunately, Biden may have lost too much support from his own party at this point. Itās probably necessary for him to step down, regardless. You donāt get Congresscritters of your own party calling for the presumptive nominee and incumbent to step down unless it looks godawful going into the election with the current ticket.
Itās probably going to be Harris if he is replaced, which Iāmā¦ not thrilled with. But Blue no matter who. Iāll vote for Biden if heās on the ticket in November - Iāll vote for a fucking potato if I have to in order to oppose fascism. But he very well may be an electoral liability at this point, not a boon.
Heād be stepping down into the void. The primaries are mostly over. Itād just be the DNC deciding for themselves who the candidate would be. That would NOT please most voters. Itās typical for an incumbent to be the nominee for a second term. Itās not typical for a party to just decide who the candidate would be.
Itās probably going to be Harris if he is replaced, which Iāmā¦ not thrilled with.
If thatās who they choose they need to decide now and start talking her up, even if Biden doesnāt step down right away. We are past primary season. And honestly, sheās fine. Not good fine. But sheāll lose to Trump. Not for any part of her own merit or policies, but because America is a sexist, racist country and I do not have any confidence in them electing a black woman. Maybe is she was popular or charismatic like Obama was but we havenāt really seen her do much.
If thatās who they choose they need to decide now and start talking her up, even if Biden doesnāt step down right away. We are past primary season. And honestly, sheās fine. Not good fine. But sheāll lose to Trump.
Unfortunately, while I share some of your reservations, I think the ballās in motion. We can let it roll (pick a new candidate) or get crushed by it (stick with Biden and have the millstone of defections hanging around our necks the entire election season), but either way, itās going where itās going. We have to deal with it as best we can, not deal with it the way that we wouldāve, say, two months ago, before this went down.
Wow, that zero upvote anonymous reddit comment sure is relevant to talk about.
How many examples do you want? Or will no amount of evidence change your mind that this is something that happens, because you donāt actually care, you just want to defend fascists?
Oh, I donāt deny that it happens. I just donāt base my beliefs around reacting to random internet weirdos, like the person in the comment seems to be doing, and as you seem to be doing with them, ironically enough.
What I do base my beliefs on is evidence. Itās very funny to call this meme āevidence,ā itās literally just one random person on some random place getting mad and saying shit. I could literally go write a comment on reddit, like, āAs a Biden voter, I love drowning puppies,ā downvote it, screenshot, and Iād have exactly as much āevidenceā of what Biden voters believe as what youāve presented.
Also, obviously the claim that I ādefend fascistsā is completely baseless and can be disregarded, because again, evidence.
I just donāt base my beliefs around reacting to random internet weirdos, like the person in the comment seems to be doing, and as you seem to be doing with them, ironically enough.
Oh, yes, I turned against genocide and ethnic cleansing apologia because of internet weirdos, not because I think those things are bad.
Itās very funny to call this meme āevidence,ā
I didnāt call the meme evidence, I asked how much evidence you wanted. The meme is a joke about a well-known phenomenon. Iām sorry you misunderstood that.
Also, obviously the claim that I ādefend fascistsā is completely baseless and can be disregarded, because again, evidence.
Oh? Would you like me to dig up evidence there? Because I remember you quite distinctly engaging in apologia for tankies and doing Ukrainian genocide denial.
In fact, werenāt you involved in denying the Uyghur genocide too?
People like to complain about horseshoe theory, but these kinds of situations happen so often! I wonder if itās something inherent to the authoritarian personality type ā an inability to objectively examine oneās own beliefs, maybe? Or inability to consider one might actually be wrong about something?
It actually is an observed phenomenon that Authoritarians exhibit a lot of behavior consistent with the Dark Triad of personality traits, (Narcissism, Machiavellianism, and Psychopathy)
Itās also an observed phenomenon that they are all completely unable to be taken at their word when they try to express what they believe to others. People who rate low or moderate on the authoritarian scale tend to say itās best to be seen as not very authoritarian, but people who score high say itās best to be seen as moderate.
Even the most supposedly upstanding principled conservative inherently is lying about what they actually believe and making up being a middle of the road kind of political thinker because they know damn well theyād catch shit for what they actually believe.
And thatās why Trump is their Messiah, he sells the promise of being able to finally forget their shame. Itās why I keep saying that Trump campaigns on making white folks think theyāll get to say the N-Word again, and on making their kids start coming to Thanksgiving again after they went NC for how obvious it is what they wanna be saying about the crime reports when the 6PM news comes on, yes even if the shown accused arenāt black.
Do you have any recommended reading about this? Iād like to learn more.
Hey.
Finland here. Socialism is pretty fucking great.
Howās it going in America, the bastion of capitalism, where there is no parental leave, limited sick days, at-will firing, cities are overcrowded with human excrement from homeless people who still have actual jobs, for profit prisons forcing people to slave away for years because of mandatory minimum sentencing, and all that other good shit?
Communism might not work until we get to a Star Trek style utopia, but socialism definitely does. Capitalism doesnāt have a monopoly on market economies.
Market socialism is just the same thing as capitalism, just with less poor quality products, good labour laws, no horribly massive income inequalities, etc.
But no you go on ahead and defend capitalism as an ideology, Iām sure youāve read the literature on the subject and know what youāre talking about.
While I donāt disagree with your main point, to my knowledge Finland is still capitalist, it just has a robust safety net, regulations, and workersā protections, like most of Europe, and unlike much of the US.
Yeah, a lot of people think that, and theyād be wrong.
Weāre a social democracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy
Social democracy is a political, social, and economic philosophy within socialism that supports political and economic democracy and supports a gradualist, reformist and democratic approach towards achieving socialism.
Learn to separate your notion of ācapitalismā from āmarket economyā. Capitalism is to market economy what cancer is to cell growth. It is that, but it is a malignant form of it that will never ever function in long term, and itās very clear to anyone who objectively looks at it. Infinite growth on finite materials is literally impossible.
Iām not saying youāre necessarily defending it even if I think youāre wrongly equating capitalism and market economy.
I just feel that for the most part, basically the āRed Scareā made people think that the only thing thatās an alternative to capitalism is full blown communism, which implies that all market economies are capitalist, which they arenāt.
Iām not blaming you ā Iām blaming some of the implications of the language youāve used. There is a difference.
Yeah, thereās a lot of good things about Finland when comparing internationally, but I can tell you, there are some rather bad things as well. While āfirst amendment auditorsā in the US are sometimes annoying as fuck, we honestly need a little bit of that type of spirit here. Weāve got authoritarian issues. Honestly.
https://harvardpolitics.com/nordic-racism/
Iād just like to live somewhere else for a while, maybe that might give me a newfound respect to licking some boots or something, as currently respecting the Finnish police- and justice system in general is a very nauseating idea indeed.
My point is that adopting socialism would make the poor richer and the megarich poorer, and if itās just socialism, a āmarket socialismā, not a ācommunismā, if you will, then nothing would really change for most of the people. Well, nothing would change to be more negative at least. The megawealthy would still be rich, but they wouldnāt be as disgustingly rich as now. Homelessness or hunger wouldnāt exist. But still a lot of people basically consider āsocialismā to be a curse-word?
Itās unbelievable to me that someone outside of China would honestly defend Xi JinPingās policy. I mean, look for the first Chinese expat in your country. He/she probably has some dark story about illegal secret cops trying to bring him/her back home because of a Winnie the poo post on Twitter.
