43 points

Biden is going to run. It’s July, he should have announced he wasn’t seeking a second term but he didn’t and it’s too late to swap.

Biden is going to win because Trump has gone full mask off as a fascist and the competition could be a potato.

Then we’ll be stuck with a sunsetting neoliberal and vaguely hoping he steps down at some point so his ACAB-proving VP can take over.

Then she’s going to lose 2028 because literally no one likes her and the Republic falls anyways.

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Yeah like imagine if 4 years ago he pledged to be one term president, that he viewed himself as a “transition president” and as a “bridge” to the next leader “not as anything else”.

Much like Bidens pier, his bridge led to lies as well.

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If he’d done that he would have been lame duck on day 1. The second he says he’s not running anymore is the complete end of his ability to have any real legislative influence.

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16 points

. . . He signaled he wouldn’t run for a 2nd term before day 1.

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9 points

It’s not too late until the convention is over. That’s literally what it’s for. Biden can direct his pledged delegates to vote for his chosen successor, whoever that might be.

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6 points

It’s too late. Dropping out now practically guarantees Trump wins in November.

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1 point

According to his polling, so does staying in

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You say that but that’s just your opinion. The fact is Biden is already behind trump and has lost any momentum he might have had. I’m voting for whoever is on the Democrat ticket but we need the never Trumper and the ones that hate both to break our way. It isn’t enough for them to stay home.

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40 points

I don’t know that he’s actually significantly worse off than he was before, but he may be heading to the point where, regardless of his health, he has lost the confidence of the electorate in his health.

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This debate, and all of his post-debate has hurt him, surely. But its detached from reality to suggest that Biden wasn’t “severely injured” going into this debate. The difference was that we saw an energized, verbal, focused, able to maintain eye contact and remember the first half of his sentence Joe Biden during the SOTU back in March. Bidens debate was a geriatric who is clearly “sunsetting”. Bidens post debate interviews re-enforced that.

Biden needs to be leading by 5 (50-55%) in the polls nationally to demonstrate that he had the “confidence” of the electorate. He was leading by 5 in 2020 and barely managed a victory in the EC by 40k net votes. If Biden is at 45% in the polls, he’s not winning the election. Biden is at 35% and dropping.

Biden hasn’t had the confidence of the electorate, basically ever, in this election cycle. At no point has he been “winning” or even really viable in this campaign. This is just purely what the data show us. Its what Nate Silvers been saying for over a year, its what Ezra Klein has been saying for a long time. The apologists around Biden protected him from any kind of real primary, or significant criticism in what has been the most critical period for evaluating his sufficiency around him as candidate. We were prevented from doing the kind of due diligence required.

Main points, Biden wasn’t winning this when it wasn’t about his health. Layer in the appallingly clear indications around his health and extrapolate. Biden was doing way better in terms of demonstrating his ability to “be the president” with the SOTU back in March. Draw a line from then to now, and then see where that line puts you 3 months from now. If you’ve ever had an elderly family member “sunset” on you, it is like, shocking how fast it happens.

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“It’s devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe ‘big F-ing deal’ Biden of 2010,” Clooney wrote. “He wasn’t even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.”

Biden is going to make some snide remark about him now…

Just like he has to every other supporter who didn’t give 100% loyalty forever.

Remember when we all made fun of trump for shit like this?

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31 points

People are burying their heads in the sand and will act shocked and point fingers when Biden loses rather than actually try to do something about it while there’s still time.

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Well, there is still time, and at least Clooney is trying to do something

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Biden is going to make some snide remark about him now…

“Listen, folks, you gotta understand, this guy, he’s just… well, y’know, he’s a real… um, like a, uh, y’know, a complete… ah, c’mon man, he’s a real knucklehead, can’t even… y’know, get it right, it’s just… malarkey.”

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I noticed he sounded like Trump in one of his recent statements. I guess this is just what happens when you insist on holding the most stressful job imaginable while well beyond the age of retirement

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Yes.

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11 points

If actors want to have an opinion that’s fine. But commenting like they have any clout or authority to ask something like this? Screw that. I’m tired of the entertainment crowd messing around in politics.

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Remember that most people in ‘the entertainment crowd’ actually have a college degree. It could be in poli-sci.

Of course, Mr Clooney forgets how it went in 1968 when they switched candidates.

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I don’t find the degree to be any sort of credential. The degree could be in theater arts, which has no bearing on politics.

I’d like to see your statistic of “most people”, and what sort of degrees they might have that are relevant to asking a candidate to drop out of a race.

All that said, the real point is that someone who is an entertainer is using their public clout in a manner to attempt to influence a politician, or at least public opinion of said politician. As I said, I’m tired of entertainers mucking about in politics.

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10 points

I thought the people saying vote blue no matter who wouldn’t care who the nominee would be.

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In the booth, on election day, sure.
But that’s still months away. No reason to not spend today trying to find someone people want to vote for. Someone who’s actually likely to finish the term.

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Besides, you have to rememeber there’s a large segment of left(ish) voters who may not show up on election day unless there is a leadership change. Keeping Biden would almost guarantee they stay home.

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