Oh man he’s going to be so pissed when he finds out what Intel have been doing for 50 years
I’d make an argument for the opposite if we’re talking about the general field. The major OEMs are going head first into enshittification, while other companies are building for more open ecosystems.
For anyone looking for a list of manufacturers intentionally trying to make their hardware more compatible with open ecosystems:
- Framework
- System76
- ASRock
- Minisforum
- Slimbook (they make the KDE branded laptop)
- MNT
- GL.iNet (routers only so far)
- Penguin
- Supermicro
- Star Labs
- Pine
- Clevo
I’m sure there are others, but these are the ones that are deliberately building intentionally FOR mass compatibility, unlike HP, Dell, Lenovo, ASUS…etc.
This is not to say there aren’t some models from the major manufacturer product lines that aren’t widely compatible, but their main focus is not those products.
Hmmmmm, I’ll go with Clevo. Because I’m from Cleveland, and it’s called Clevo. It’s like the PC brand that was too drunk to spell Cleveland. Which is pretty on brand for this city.
@Lost_My_Mind @just_another_person that’s a clevo comment
Unlike most, though, Clevo has been around for decades and many, many other brands rebrand and sell their laptops. If you’ve ever owned a laptop made by a semi-local manufacturer, it’s probably a rebranded Clevo.
What that says about the quality though, I don’t know. My laptops have all been non-Clevo-rebrands. But they’re an established company at least.
Tuxedo Computers from Germany also make PCs specifically for Linux (you can run Windows if you really have to).
I can say I’ll never buy another lenovo product again.
My laptop is, of course, broken at both hinges due to ridiculously thin and cheap plastic.
This is inexcusable and only exists to make a few rich people a bit richer.
ASRock servers, minipcs and mitx industrial boards are highly compatible with Linux, and it’s intentional. Sometimes trailing chipset versions just to stay that way.
Interesting; I’ve associated them with just making cheap boards. Is that changing?
I think my home server build will eventually be based on a used Asrock industrial mainboard. I’ve heard nothing but good feedback.
I remember them being a bit of a small upstart company years ago when I started paying attention to computer stuff.
I want the pine products but every time I see the reviews it seems like they are not the greatest at the more common tasks.
At some point I want to get an MST if/when my system76 dies. But it’s a easy to repair so it will probably be a while.
If you’re looking for a general purpose device, go Framework. Look at their Refurb store. Very reasonable.
Thanks but a friend of mine had bad experiences with it. Something to do with the power and hinges. Lots of costly repairs on the first year or so.
Hopefully they fixed the issue.
This is why I just bought two framework laptops. They’re doing the exact opposite.
I thought he was talking about locked-down bootloaders or something. Because that’s a real concern to me.
Can someone tell Scott that they added the driver for his laptop on November 29th? Almost a month before he made this post.
Further, from some light reading on the subject after searching around it sounds like since most stuff is moving to NVMe drives, Intel is indeed slowly removing ACHI from newer devices, which does mean you need those IRST drivers to boot and recognize disks.
I think it’s less companies trying to fuck us over and a hiccup in the slow but steady adoption and adaptation of new technologies.
EDIT:
Here’s the Intel Rapid Store Technology driver for the other PC he pointed out, too. This one was added in November 2023.
This seems like it’s a non-issue and maybe this guy just doesn’t know what the IRST acronym stands for?
Much ado about literally nothing. This is literally based on nothing but his own speculation based on his failure to find these drivers that literally exist and are available. Honestly should be removed as misinformation since both PCs he mentioned have IRST drivers available right now.
most stuff is moving to NVMe drives,
NO!!! GOD DAMMIT, NO!!! 2.5" SSD’s JUST NOW GOT CHEAP ENOUGH TO BUY!!! NO!!! FUCK ALL THIS PLANNED OBSOLETE CRAP!!! I’m going to keep buying SSD’s, and I have a whole little system. It’s like NES cartridges.
I buy the big ones as the slave drives, and the little ones as the OS drives. And when I want to swap out, I just turn off my PC, swap out one hard drive for another, and pristo bingo blammo I’m on a tottally different OS.
Okay that’s totally fine, SATA ports aren’t going anywhere for a while. And you can always add more via PCIe cards. Just buy regular size boards and you’ll be fine.
Are those PCIe cards any good? Because I used up all the ones on my motherboard and I can fit more drives in my case.
No no, I mean the drives themselves. It’s already hard to find smaller drives.
Go try to find western digital blue 120gb 2.5" in new condition from a reliable seller who’s going to still exist in a year, and isn’t some ebay scammer.
It’s already impossible to find those. I fear if they move over to NVME they won’t make 4TB drives anymore in a 2.5" ssd either. And then there’s the whole issue of advancing the medium to made cards LARGER than 4TB.
I got a good system set up. I do not understand why I had to mad scientist hack this thing together like this. Eventually I need a dremmel, because Dell makes their front cases stupid.
But basically, I got inspired for this by my raspberry pi. I eject the sd card, I put a new SD card in, and the hardware is a totally different purpose. It could be a pihole. It could be a retro arcade. It could be anything. And with a quick swap, it’s anything else.
Well now I have that with an x86 board computer. But I need the drives to keep getting made.
It’s the same with NVMe, what do you mean.
Have you ever opened a 2.5" sata ssd? half of the box is empty, it’s just there so you can screw it to the case on the other side. I hope that form factor will die soon. We need nvme in m.2 format for everything small, and 3.5" for servers. 2.5" should disappear.
What they need to do is take that mostly empty 2.5" drive, and cram it full of flash chips. Why have we been stuck with 8TB as the largest consumer drives for a few years now? I can understand it a bit for NVMe due to the physical form factor, but there’s no excuse for 2.5" drives. It doesn’t seem that complicated. For example, all Samsung would have to do is take the 2.5" 8TB 870 QVO, double the number of chips in it, then sell it for twice the price. I’d buy one.
2.5" should disappear.
NO! I JUST BOUGHT LIKE $600 WORTH OF DRIVES AND EQUIPMENT TO MAKE MY COMPUTER A FRONT LOADER!!! And I’m going to buy several 4TB drives in this form factor…just over the coarse of the next few years. Maybe like 10 of them in 5 years.
Wait, you’re swapping hardware to switch to a different OS? Why? Just make a dual boot system
You say “dual”. Whereas I’m thinking more like…20-30 different OS’s. Maybe 50. Could eventually be 100. This may eventually sprawl across multiple PC’s. I’m very early in my days of mad scientist swapping. I just made Linux Mint yesterday, and tonight I’m going to try all these:
https://www.techradar.com/news/best-alternative-operating-systems
Except for the ones that cost money. Plus, I like the idea of inserting cartridges like an old school NES. It’s just satisfying.
Excuse me, Scoot Blickerdon, that would require people suffering technology struggles actually research their issues and do the legwork to fix them themselves.
Kinda ironic to hear it from you, all things considered.
(It’s still up, by the way, because Nate Silver might be stupid but having worked for a large media organization he understands how copyright law works.)
I’m hoping your right. It’s probably more nuance than a simplistic article. But it did seem like it was true at the time the article was written.
It might be me but I’m finding the big companies like Dell are doubling down a bit on their property drivers and at the same time, other companies that are simply open souring everything, if just for the “free” bug/features the community is willing to add to their platforms. It’s a strange duality to live through.
I understand that but this article is literally nothing but his own speculation because he tried and failed twice to find drivers, one of which has been available a month before he posted this, and the other available over a year before he posted this. It’s not malicious, but its misinformation based on fear-driven speculation about bad corporations. I fucking hate corpos too but this is dumb. We don’t need to make shit up out of fear of bad behavior.
This is literally already turning into an anti-corporate circlejerk because of a misunderstanding. It’s kind of like when Bernie Sanders supporters at the Democratic National Convention in 2016 were completely convinced the Cisco WiFi routers around the arena were noise generators to drown out their cheers for Sanders. It’s dumb and unhelpful and makes us look stupid.
