Summary
Elon Musk faced backlash from his followers on X after advocating for importing “super talented engineers” to address a shortage in the U.S. tech industry.
Musk likened hiring top foreign talent to building a championship sports team and argues that there is a shortage of talented and motivated American engineers.
Critics argued there’s sufficient U.S. talent being overlooked or underpaid, with some pointing to widespread tech layoffs.
Musk dismissed claims of low wages or training gaps, maintaining a need for exceptional engineering talent to advance innovation.
It’s crazy that these politicians can just make wild claims without providing a shred of evidence. The just get to “dismiss.”
Stop that, please.
Musk is not a politician.
Do not normalize this by even referring to him as such. He has never held elected office.
He’s more than qualified. All you need to be a politician in America is capital. The actual law is typically sidestepped in favor of monetary gain. How is this any different than our usual goings-on? This is the most American thing that’s happened in years.
You’re still pretending the law and constitution mean a damn thing in practice. They’re gonna roll it up and smoke it next year.
Musk likened hiring top foreign talent to building a championship sports team and argues that there is a shortage of talented and motivated American engineers.
There’s not, it’s just they want good wages and working conditions
As an employer the way to get cheaper workers that accept worse conditions is flood the labor pool. With the cost of an American education, H1B’s will always take less. Not just from foreign countries, but also from “better” countries with free education.
This isn’t just bad for the tech sector, it’s bad for everything that requires an advanced degree.
Yeah the more I’ve learned about H1 visas the more they stink. You set up your entire life and your employer can destroy it all at any time by firing you. So they take pay cuts, extra hours, extra duties, demands to sleep in the office, just horrible shit that American employees won’t stand for.
All we need to do is extend it to a 2 year rolling period for the individual. If you lose your job you have 2 years to get the next one. And employers have to wait 5 years before they can bring in another H1b employee if they fire one. After 5 years give them a green card.
Even simpler fix, actually. If they genuinely can’t find anyone else, set the wages of the people they hire to a mandatory 5x industry median or 500k, whichever is larger
If they genuinely can’t find anyone else, set the wages of the people they hire to a mandatory 5x industry median or 500k, whichever is larger
Trump tried something very similar to what you propose: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/08/19/trump-h-1b-visa-wage-rule-gives-clue-to-second-term-immigration-policy/
Musk is currently fighting with Laura Loomer over this and even pretended to be someone else in order to argue with her over Twitter Spaces and it is very, very funny to watch.
christ it should be a rule to never post links to sites that require accounts or logins when sharing information about a discussion without also providing screenshots or a non-account mirror.
Christ, it should be a rule never to be this pissy with people sharing information. Here’s a screenshot. Of an audio post. Not sure how much help that’s going to be, so I guess you can just read about it on Mediaite or Raw Story in a few days.
Not sure if there is something better…
What is so incredible is that the education system in the US is so fucked that so so so so SO many high skill, high education jobs need to be brought in from overseas. Meanwhile Elon just wants to fuck over the education system in the US even more.
The reason why he wants to bring in foreign labor is, in all likelihood, to make his employees more easily controlled. Expats are less likely to raise a fuss about their living conditions and may not have much of a connection to the political movements around them to take part in protests. Also if those employees have their visa’s dependent entirely on the whims of their employer, if they DO get uppity in any way, they can face almost immediate deportation upon being fired.
In short, he does not give a fuck about Americans. It is 100% about control and exploitation.
And what happens to us who were born here? Where are we supposed to go when all the jobs that we could fill are being taken by H1Bs and Optimus robots?
And what happens to us who were born here? Where are we supposed to go when all the jobs that we could fill are being taken by H1Bs and Optimus robots?
these immigrants are not taking the jobs that most Americans work. high-skilled Indians and Chinese are filling shortages in engineering, doctors, etc. vast majority of Americans are not competing with these groups
these immigrants are not taking the jobs that most Americans work. high-skilled Indians and Chinese are filling shortages in engineering, doctors, etc. vast majority of Americans are not competing with these groups
Eh, doubtful except in very niche areas, perhaps. It’s more likely Americans are not willing to work like indentured servants like H-1Bs are forced into.
If there is a real need to trot the globe to scout for rare talent that we cannot source here, why the ruse of the H-1B program? Why not just offer people full citizenship with no strings attached to any corporate entity?
I was browsing reddit and the liberal side of it from politics to bpt and cscareers and I love how they’re getting redpilled on Indians and immigration. It seems they finally care when the jobs are personally affecting them. Liberals in their ivory tower are finally getting to smell what they sowed.
You hate immigrants because you’re a racist
They hate H1B immigration because it allows people like Elon to freely set up sweatshops of smart immigrants who have built a home in this country and now have their chance to keep living in that home tied to the random whims of a billionaire.
Not the same.
The H1B system in concept is great but it’s ripe for abuse by men like Elon. One I’m aware of is that paperwork is way behind on the gov side and it’s kind of a lottery (will our coworker be here in the fall? Let’s spin the wheel!). Another is that larger companies can from what I understand put in a request for many more spots than they need and since it’s a lottery be fairly confident they’ll get the spots they really wanted, while small companies have to suffer at the whims of chance. And I’m no expert on this but I’d say another key area that sucks is its just a bizarre design by committee system. As Americans we want to steal other countries best and brightest and H1B is like a DMV version of that goal.
