Summary
Russia launched a major attack on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure on Christmas Day, using 184 missiles and drones, resulting in power cuts across the country.
Ukrainian President Zelensky condemned the attack, calling it “inhumane” and a “conscious choice” by Russia.
Despite the damage and casualties, Ukrainians remain resilient, celebrating Christmas amidst the crisis.
I thought Ukraine celebrated Orthodox Christmas, but turns out this was changed last year.
Eastern Orthodox in particular. Plenty of other Orthodox churches have adopted the Revised Julian calendar so Christmas falls on the 24th. At least until the leap years desync.
…which is of course still a bit off the solstice (more like 21st or 22nd) but that has been the case for basically forever as people forgot which holiday it was they declared to be baby Jesus’ birthday.
Ukraine has been dealing with Russian influence and subterfuge in its country on such a scale for centuries that its essentially like a brain parasite, they’ve had to resort to some extreme measures to try to combat this control, there’s no sense in being soft or cautious about it anymore as Russia has launched a full scale war against them and the way their troops and statesmen have behaved, they’ve essentially declared their intent is to exterminate the very idea of the nation.
so when those are the stakes. Ukraine will do a lot of things that seem weird. changing christmas, forcing themselves to stop speaking russian and speak ukrainian, etc. its total war. this is what happens in total war.
the russian orthodox church is also under the direct control of the kremlin, Patriarch Kirill is a KGB gangster like Putin, he just wears a fancy hat, but most of his preaching about god is usually in relation to killing and fighting. its just a state war church at this point.
They still mostly celebrate orthodox Christmas despite this change
How do you know this? Do you speak Ukrainian? Have you ever been to Ukraine?
Keep in mind that I live in Ukraine.
Putin did it last year. And year before that.
Fuck Putin next year. And year after that.
Who knew war was inhumane
Some people have this bizarre idea (I blame video games of course since this is a phenomena that is newer than 1980) that violence is actually fun and not horrifying in a way that will haunt you for the rest of your life. These people believe in the concept of honor and good old boys sharing a cig on Christmas day in an impromptu relief from the shelling and gassing.
Putin isn’t one of these people, he’s a psycho and doesn’t care at all.
That having been said it’s not clear to me at least which is worse.
Russia learning from Israel.
Edit - People downvoting me seem to be saying that I must acknowledge Israel’s professor i.e. USA.
But Zelensky still does not condemn Israel’s genocide on the Palestinian people. Right.
Zelensky said something about X You said “well he didn’t do anything about Y”
That’s whataboutism. You may have meant it honestly, but ultimately what that kind of argument does is attempt to reduce zelenskys response to this action by comparing it to how he may have done something not as good in a different situation.
I didn’t see your comment till just now. Sorry you got down voted. People are dumb for down voting you because you asked a question. I saw an answer, so have an upvote friend :)
Is there any reason you’re pointing out his alleged hypocrisy and not the hypocrisy of the Pope regarding child molestation? Are molested children just non-humans or something?
Since you are trying to change the subject, I won’t go into that. Find someone else.
You already changed the subject yourself. I guess it’s different when you do it.
trying to change the subject
Excellent point. Now consider if can be made on similar comments.
The irony of your approach throughout this thread is that the Palestinians support russian genocidal imperialism.
I say this as a Ukrainian who leans towards the Palestinian side.
EDIT: In retrospective, it was wrong for me to say Palestinians in general support russian genocidal imperialism. A fairer approach would be to say that Palestinian leadership has generally espoused pro-russian statements, but they likely didn’t have much choice.
I‘m Palestinian and absolutely we don’t. We’re tired of just literally ANYONE wanting to rule us. What happens in Palestine is a genocide, period. What happens in Ukraine is also a genocide. I don’t want to antagonize you, but I’m honestly curious what you mean by „leaning towards“ the Palestinian side.
To me, imperialism needs to be abolished and I don’t care if the US or Russia or Iran or China does it. And imo Zelenskyy is a piece of shit for appeasing to Israel while they do literally the same to Palestinians that Russia does to Ukrainians. And in that sense, I will always be against the oppressor and it sounds a bit like there would be anything else to what happens to Palestinians than genocide & colonization.
That being said I wish you victory and peace.
I think this is an unfortunate case where I understand his silence. It’s realpolitik. He’s fighting a war to save his country from imperialism so he doesn’t want to alienate a potential source of aid. I think places like the US and the EU are far more culpable in their complicity because they don’t have that same kind of desperate need. Quite the opposite even, they actively enable
Thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate it. I genuinely mean it.
What is happening in Palestine is genocide. I would be a hypocrite if I didn’t agree with this. My somewhat aloof statements are because I don’t speak Arabic or Hebrew and I’ve never been to Israel/Palestine. But yes, Israeli actions are colonialist and genocidal (both current actions and the broader historical context). You don’t need to speak Arabic or Hebrew to see this.
FWIW, I think Zelenskyy has a much more negative attitude of Netanyahu specifically and Israel’s policies than his statements would lead you to believe. We don’t have any other options because we are critically dependent on aid from US and EU. Ukraine has provided aid to Gaza and Zelenskyy has made (subtle) public statements that suggest thinking beyond a simplistic pro-Israel approach.
Palestinian leadership has definitely been pro-russia in their statements. It was wrong for me to say Palestinians in general support russian genocidal imperialism. That being said, I don’t hold it against them (as in my OP, I lean toward the Palestiniain side) as they don’t really have any choice.
Where you’re from, doesn’t matter to me. But if* you see it that way, that’s okay.
I am just pointing out that you have a sophomoric if not outright childish attitude in this thread.
You’re basically LARPing. If anything the Ukrainian government (privately) has a more negative attitude towards Israel than the public at large (and even with respect to the Ukrainian public, there arguably has been a change over time).
You don’t speak Ukrainian, you’ve never lived in Ukraine. You have no understanding of Ukrainian attitudes around what’s going in Israel/Palestine.
And to be honest, it is reasonable to assume you don’t really care about the plight of the Palestinians. It’s mostly a theatrical thing for you.
It’s almost like he needs every country in the world with large defense industries to help him out or something, isn’t it?
Yeah, certainly. But what about Palestinian lives? Don’t they deserve the recognition, human rights and such? Apparently that’s entirely different for Zelensky.
Yeah, certainly. But what about Palestinian lives? Don’t they deserve the recognition, human rights and such? Apparently that’s entirely different for Zelensky.
But what about Palestinian lives?
But what about
what about
Earlier in the thread you asked what was the “whataboutism” in your question. Went ahead and highlighted the approximate location. Hope that helps.
Apparently Zelensky realizes that telling Israel to fuck off right now would be a bad idea what with him fighting an invading force.
But I’m sure righteous indignation wouldn’t have any repercussions.
https://unwatch.org/database/country/ukraine/
0% For Israel 0 resolutions
77% Against Israel 114 resolutions
23% Abstain on Israel 35 resolutions
Yeah, of course. But quite the hypocrisy to condemn one and not the other.
