82 points

Guaranteed if original Star Trek came out today, it would be decried as “woke” and “DEI” and there would be outrage over it from the usual culture warriors.

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49 points

Okay, I’ve finally looked up what DEI means… Diversity, equity, and inclusion are things people are berated for??

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46 points

It’s not what DEI means. It’s about what it stands for.

Conservatives don’t want to be told to treat people with decency. They want to treat however the fuck they want, and then tell you that you aren’t treating them decently.

It’s about wielding power.

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10 points

This is what they mean with those “My rights don’t end where your feelings begin” bumper stickers. The only right they’re losing is the right to being a bigoted asshole.

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22 points

YES, it’s insane. It’s like saying “be a decent person” and people going “Fuck you, commie bastards, I do what I want.”

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14 points
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From 2020 on we’ve seen that telling people “hey wear the most basic of facemasks when you’re out in public because the morgues are running out of space all over” causes them to start screaming at the Walmart greeters and throwing tantrums like children. We are still stupid apes in a lot of ways

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DEI is the current iteration of affirmative action, that’s all.

The problem with DEI is that it’s an imperfect solution that only came about because racists and other bigots couldn’t behave themselves. Forcing the hiring of specific demographics isn’t going to result in the best possible outcomes in every case but those groups also need opportunities even though they’ve been systemically given worse educations and have been generally shat upon. Removing race we’d also probably hire the white man more often but not because they’re inately better, but rather because they are simply more likely to be able to afford to have pretty looking resumés compared to disadvantaged minorities.

We wouldn’t need DEI in the first fucking place except people like an old boss, who saw an immigrant classmate of mine’s resumé come up and because of his African last name said “no thanks I want to keep jobs in Canada”, need to be forced to do the right thing. They create the problem and throw temper tantrums when we try to fix it. These people are obstacles and it’s getting tiring.

TL;DR: They feel as if they have a point because DEI can result in a more qualified person being turned away, which I get feels unfair. However, they refuse to acknowledge the fact that said person was only more qualified because we make it so difficult for minorities to fucking do anything. I’m getting so sick of right-wing bullshit.

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5 points

Also, DEI is trying to diversify the points of view in the workplace. Homogeny of thought is NOT better when it comes to problem solving. Varied voices can create amazing solutions to problems one didn’t know really existed. If allowed, it builds creativity.

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15 points

The outrage the far-right spun over DEI is by trying to portray it as hiring vastly underqualified applicants simply because of their belonging to an underrepresented group (often even being portrayed as vastly underqualified because of their race as white supremacist rhetoric). Of course in reality this wasn’t true and it was just a foghorn for racism/an ethnic slur, but that’s how it started.

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10 points

A lot of people seem to use “DEI” as a stand-in for the “n-word.”

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7 points

Same people who couldn’t pronounce “affirmative action” without scare quotes and italics.

“It’s these “Affirmative Action” people…”

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2 points

My brother in Christ…

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Yeah, I’ve heard it called “Didn’t Earn It” and the idea is that people are given preferential treatment in job or services based on their ethnicity and not their qualification. As with all things the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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13 points

Counterpoint: As long as they consider the women “hot” they will accept them as part of the franchise.

Nichelle Nichols I think was probably hot enough to not draw their ire.

Those culture warriors are somehow always okay with women they view as “fuckable.” Women only have value in their eyes if they want to sleep with them by their looks alone.

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Just out of curiosity, what do you think is more progressive: a spaceship where all female crew is forced to wear miniskirts, a bridge crew that has exactly one woman, the part in the pilot where “Orion sex slaves” are introduced in the horniest possible way, or the married producer who was cheating on his wife with the only two relevant female cast members?

The 1960s was a long time ago. While there are a lot of TOS that aged very well, the idea that the show would be decried as woke is straight up delusional.

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4 points

Not to be that guy, but in the 60s, mini skirts were considered an empowerment. It was the beginning of the sexual revolution after all. In contemporary times it won’t be a miniskirt, it would be something else.

When people say “if star trek were made today” they don’t mean time travelling Roddenberry, studio, and crew to today without changes. They mean creating star trek to today to tackle contemporary issues.

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2 points

Cow pies. “Original Star Trek” clearly referred to TOS.

If OC meant a modern rendition of classic trek, they wouldn’t be speaking in hypotheticals. They’d just refer to SNW by name.

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79 points

Nichelle Nichols was at one point thinking of quitting the show but stayed because MLK Jr. himself told her how important her character was.

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44 points

And without Nichelle Nichols on Star Trek, she wouldn’t have been hired by NASA and then we wouldn’t have had Sally Ride, so she is a legitimate space hero.

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30 points

She thought about leaving because she didn’t feel like her character got to do enough - a common sentiment of supporting actors.

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26 points

It was TNG that really established an ensemble cast formula; TOS was Kirk-Spock-McCoy and the rest. It took TNG a couple seasons before they got the idea of a true ensemble cast where everyone gets to star in some episodes. TOS wouldn’t have had more than one episode starring Reginald Barcklay with Geordi and Dianna in supporting roles, but TNG had at least two.

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13 points

TOS wouldn’t have had more than one episode starring Reginald Barcklay with Geordi and Dianna in supporting roles, but TNG had at least two.

Three, even. Horny holideck, barkley gets his groove on, and transporter cuddles.

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53 points

“Shatner figured it out? Shatner? This is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts.”

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“When I have a problem that phasers can’t solve, I just kiss a beautiful alien. Then suddenly, I have a completely different problem!” - Jason Tiberius Kirk

Edit: I may have drifted into the Kelvin timeline…

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“I’m a legit snack” - Nyota Uhura

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7 points

More like the main course 😏

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48 points

They didn’t have everything figured out back then. For one, they bullied Spock for what we could only describe today as his neurodiversity.

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33 points

There will never come a time in which we have everything figured out.

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18 points

Yes but that doesn’t mean we should never look back and see how far we’ve come, just as we look forward and see how far we have to go.

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3 points

And new people who haven’t figured out yet are born all the time!

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1 point

excuse me, i have a degree in bullshit. We have figured out everything. 1+1=2. The rest is left as an exercise for the reader.

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30 points

The message I got from McCoy was that humans got along because they found new people to be racist against instead of each other

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18 points

It helps when every other planet is a severely flawed monocolutre.

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7 points

I think that’s the real message of Star Trek in general!

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And TOS/ENT in particular

ENT gets bonus points for shran calling humans “pink skins” when Travis is right fucking there on the bridge

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2 points

That’s a simple enough message to even get it from Warhammer 40k - Gender? Skin colour? Disabilities? Doesn’t matter, pick up a Lasrifle and start shooting xenos

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And there will be things that are being created today that’s considered progressive that in 20 years, will be considered as missing the mark.

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McCoy called Spock “green-blooded” on multiple occasions - and once a “hobgoblin”. And I would call the Vulcan penchant for logic a cultural trait, not neurodiversity.

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12 points

You should see the episode when a woman body swapped with Kirk, and how the Enterprise crew suspected something was wrong

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9 points

The one I always feel like I need to warn people about is the treatment of Rand in The Enemy Within. Particularly since that happens so early in the series.

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McCoy was racist as shit and would not only have been cashiered, he probably would have been charged for hate speech

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31 points

I havent gotten past the original series yet (I started with that), so far Star Trek seems like the entire point is to get into complex social and political issues that other companies would be too scared to cover.

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