I’d sincerely recommend everyone to read his manifesto and think about it a little bit.
It’s sad seeing a lot of people fall for conspiracy theories like this. Unable to handle the fact that Luigi wasn’t a criminal mastermind but just a regular person like them, only Luigi had the balls to do something about it outside of screaming anonymously into the void.
What’s sad is seeing people accept the police’s story at face value. You don’t have to be a criminal mastermind to not be caught with everything needed to hand the case to the prosecution on a gold platter a week after you committed a crime in another state. This is either a set up, or Luigi intended to be caught.
I have the same issue with the idea that this is a setup as I do with a lot of other popular conspiracy theories, I just don’t see any possible motive that makes sense. This entire situation has been a total PR nightmare for everyone who could possibly have been involved in the alleged conspiracy. That Luigi intended/expected to be caught seems to me the simplest and most likely explanation for the set of facts we have available. If I were to speculate further, I’d guess Luigi didn’t expect to get as far as he did and was weighing his options while on the run, and basically just decided to turn himself in and chose a public place for his own safety.
Really? You really don’t see a motive to make a swift arrest of the man who just fired the shot that might set off the class war? After we just watched every billionaire sweat for the first time in their entire lives?
NCPD/FBI is being pressured extremely heavily to produce results, and the people doing the pressuring aren’t likely to care if the results are correct just as long as the results are visible - not to mention which, the agencies involved are kind of known for doing stuff like this before. The poors must be reminded that they will be swiftly hunted down and imprisoned or executed if they attempt to follow in the perpetrator’s footsteps. This message must be presented quickly and made visible to every citizen, make a big show of it so everyone knows what happens when you mess with them. (Like a 40-strong perp walk and accusations of terrorism in addition to murder, for instance. Hmm.)
Therefore, if they really actually can’t find the guy, continual pressure for results is going to become pressure to arrest a patsy instead so we can start the show already. The show must go on. And starting the show requires the star character.
I have no proof of any of this and it could reasonably be called a conspiracy theory, I guess. I expect no one will ever see anything approaching proof of this, for the usual reasons and methods that police misconduct is covered up with. But my common sense tells me that every detail of the arrest report practically screams “obvious plant” all over it, and the motive to do so is quite clear.
He was a young adult having a mental breakdown. He clearly wasn’t thinking straight.
If you think about that Boston murder trial, or the YSL trial, you’ll remember how often the pigs lie. They love to lie. They lie under oath in court, and fabricate evidence, and they love to lie in press releases even more, because press releases can’t count as perjury.
Never take the cops at their word. Always examine the physical evidence. And this actually surprisingly not obvious, but don’t take the cops at their word for what the physical evidence is. The evidence itself is what you need to see, not someone’s account of said evidence.
Are the pigs lying here? I have some reasons to assume they are, other reasons to assume they’re not, and I’m going to watch the trial to see what’s real and what’s bullshit.
I think that for someone who had the determination to:
- Figure out how to access and identify their target (date, time, location, physical appearance)
- Take enough care to avoid immediate detection before and after the fact (Why suppressor that causes jams? Why 3D print vs straw purchase/private sale/4473 @ FFL? Why mask up before and after?)
- Flee the scene and the state before (allegedly) getting “randomly” caught in public with all the gear and then some more, and not some invisible forensic trail like gunshot residue on hands/clothes or a cellphone GPS trail to that morning?
It beggars belief imo. Otherwise why not drop the gun immediately and peacefully wait for the cops at the scene to “say his piece in court”, or die in a police shootout, or a mad spree killing inside the board meeting that the CEO was going to that morning? Why stop at the one killing if you’re throwing your life away? Why NOT dispose/bury/cache the tools and evidence if there was a larger/long term plan?
- Figure out how to access and identify their target (date, time, location, physical appearance)
The target was a CEO of a major corporation. And his plan just involved waiting outside the hotel.
- Take enough care to avoid immediate detection before and after the fact (Why suppressor that causes jams? Why 3D print vs straw purchase/private sale/4473 @ FFL? Why mask up before and after?)
Dude was techbro pilled out of his mind. So why not use a 3d printer, if he wasn’t a gun nut he wouldn’t know the issues his suppressor would cause.
- Flee the scene and the state before (allegedly) getting “randomly” caught in public with all the gear and then some more, and not some invisible forensic trail like gunshot residue on hands/clothes or a cellphone GPS trail to that morning?
Because real life isn’t a episode of CSI were the criminal thinks of everything but is eventually caught out with this smoking gun piece of evidence.
It beggars belief imo. Otherwise why not drop the gun immediately and peacefully wait for the cops at the scene to “say his piece in court”, or die in a police shootout, or a mad spree killing inside the board meeting that the CEO was going to that morning? Why stop at the one killing if you’re throwing your life away? Why NOT dispose/bury/cache the tools and evidence if there was a larger/long term plan?
What makes you think he had a plan? an actual plan that is. He was a well educated techbro, just because he could pull the trigger doesn’t mean he could handle what comes next. Probably didn’t think he would get that far.
The target was a CEO of a major corporation. And his plan just involved waiting outside the hotel.
Yes, board:investor meetings are publicly advertised. There’s headshots on LinkedIn. But that’s just it - the shooter pre planned to get at the one person, not storming an insurance office and “demanding to see the boss” or ambushing the CEO in his driveway.
Dude was techbro pilled out of his mind. So why not use a 3d printer, if he wasn’t a gun nut he wouldn’t know the issues his suppressor would cause.
Suppressors are long and heavy, even commercial ones that are well designed. Sneaking that big tube on the bus, subway, on the e-bike, and then just waking around displayed an desire to escape either via an understanding of the NYC shotspotter system or wanting less obvious gunshots. The 3D print speaks to a desire to get away with it forever - otherwise why not just buy a real gun (and the required 4473 background check) that is guaranteed to work?
Because real life isn’t an episode of CSI were the criminal thinks of everything but is eventually caught out with this smoking gun piece of evidence.
Except that does happen. Most criminals are pretty dumb, and make obvious mistakes that lead to capture via normal methods. But forensics exist to aid investigations that hit dead ends, or to narrow the search pool of suspects. A fingerprint at the scene would not make an arrest in a PA McDonalds. But a Terry patdown that ‘discovers’ a gun and suppressor, leads to an arrest, leads to thorough personal search, leads to booking, then forensic analysis. Finding the gear on him was instrumental in that McDonalds encounter going from “this guy sus with fake ID?” to “he’s the CEO killer”. Presenting fake ID is a 3rd degree misdemeanor question mark for a beat cop that leads to more scrutiny, not “that’s the killer, look he even has the murder weapon”.
What makes you think he had a plan? an actual plan that is. He was a well educated techbro, just because he could pull the trigger doesn’t mean he could handle what comes next. Probably didn’t think he would get that far.
He displayed determination to get away, and planned accordingly. Didn’t stand there and magdump into the body, didn’t walk around NYC that morning wearing his face openly, didn’t use real ID, didn’t drive a car anywhere near the city, changed clothing after the murder, went out of his way to use an inferior firearm because it can’t be definitively linked via records, built and hefted a DIY suppressor around NYC public transit, used an RF blocking phone pouch/left his phone behind…
To then be caught days later with everything on him, and a semi-confession note? He couldn’t have found a body of water or hole in the ground to dump anything into? Ditching the backpack in Central Park was odd but burning it that morning was gonna draw attention, as was keeping on his back all day as he left the city. The police shut the bridges, sent out drones, dogs, etc and the shooter got away - dumb fluke? Or pre planned route that avoided known choke points and let him slip away?
Yeah it’s soooo sad that people don’t just believe everything the police tell them. It must be so hard for you, being so much more intelligent than everyone else. You must feel so much sorrow for all of us idiots who just can’t comprehend the universe as you do.
Nothing ever happens and everything is a conspiracy
One possibility is that Luigi is just a vaguely similar looking guy who happened to be in the area at the time of the shooting. They found some DNA from a coffee cup or similar that he dumped in a trash can near the scene. So they actually do have real DNA evidence of him being in the proximity. Once they were confident they had air-tight proof that he was in the viscinity, the cops just went ahead and manufactured the rest of the evidence. So Luigi really was by chance near the scene of the crime, but it’s Manhattan, plenty of people were near the scene of the crime.
I mean they’re taking a few liberties there to.my.knowledge but thats close to the official story and it is contusionesque. Unless Luigi wanted to get caught after letting all CEOs cook for a few days.
Which I think would make sense if he wanted to send a message. For example: he lays low and check press coverage to see if they report on it the way he wants. If he doesn’t get the reaction he’s looking for then he can turn himself in and get another chance to speak to the public more directly.
I can see some logic to it.
His goal wasn’t to get away with murder, his goal was to highlight the system in a way that couldn’t be ignored.
But why would him be getting caught be necessary here? The motive was pretty obvious simply due to his role as CEO, and the shell casings removed any doubt. It’s not like his “manifesto” revealed much about his motives that wasn’t obvious from the bullet casings. In terms of sending his message, what did he getting caught actually accomplish?
Well, everybody does stupid things, and he may have wanted to get caught…
But the entire story is incredibly weird. It looks like those official explanations that say “well, he shot himself on the head and 20 minutes later shot his wife; that’s absolutely the case!”
I think it’s much more likely that he either wanted to be caught, or it could just be that the guy that did something ill advised (killing someone in public while making very little effort to hide his face besides a cloth mask that he pulled down on several occasions) didn’t really have much in the way of a contingency plan.
I have said it once and I will say it again: I am genuinely shocked at just how many people, especially on Lemmy, are just accepting that Luigi is the real shooter. I haven’t believed it for one minute and the only thing that will make me believe it is audio proof of Luigi confessing while not under duress.
You’re shocked eh.
This attitude sounds very trumpy
All you know is what you heard in news reports. There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy, and we haven’t heard all the evidence
Installing security systems was part of my job, and sorry, but a lot of criminals are idiots. They just assume they’re going to get away with it. Or they figure they’re going to get caught
We had one where some fat guy tried to climb a gate but it broke so he went through it. Then he took his hoodie off as he was stealing a camera.
Had another where the guy ran a fake school as a scam. When they investigated him, they discovered he had all of the computers, but none of them were set up. But really, the suspicious part was the Ferrari he owned
Had another guy who was the world’s biggest asshole. He got busted for distributing drugs.
Then there is Trump who brags about his crimes and then pretends like he’s being set up
There is no incentive for them to arrest the wrong guy…
No, yep, you’re right, absolutely zero incentive. Not like there’d be a bunch of rich and powerful CEOs breathing down their neck to catch the CEO killer or anything.
You think all the random CEO’s right now are calling the police station telling them they need to catch the killer?
Are you serious? 😂
That’s not how these things work
But you make up whatever story supports your conspiracy theory.
It’s possible it’s not the correct person. But it’s more likely you guys read a few news articles and the police have a lot more information than what you have.
Why would you think the feds want the wrong guy? Because what they want the actual killer to be roaming free.
What happens if the real killer does another hit in a few weeks? The Feds just be like erm nah this is a copycat we will get him too.
Occam’s razor.
Also this post is filled with misinformation itself. There are plenty of 3D printed gun demos on YouTube where the guns don’t explode.
You don’t seriously think that the feds are trying to keep America safe, do you? The feds and NYPD all need to have someone in jail so they can claim that they did a good job. They want to brag about how accomplished they are.
There is no duty to protect and serve. The police do not have to protect you, and they don’t on a regular basis. I know you might have heard that growing up, but it’s just not true.
Personally, it seems more likely to me that he never expected to get away with it for as long as he did, didn’t really have a plan beyond getting out of NYC, and went to that McDonald’s to get caught.
Maybe I’m wrong, that’s completely possible. But… I dunno… a lot of eyes are on this case. It would be very very dumb of the cops to manufacture a suspect with all the attention on this. Maybe they are that dumb…
4chan op has a tenuous grasp of how time and pictures work.
They planned evidence because they used illegal means to identify him
That would be a terrible idea. If they identified him using illegal means, any evidence found as a result would be inadmissible. It’s fruit of the poisoned tree.
