Welcome to drag’s “trans trolls” meme series. Explanation: https://lemmy.nz/post/17415805/12656103
I understand the post but the linked explanation makes 0 sense. What does that post have to do with this one?
spujb suggested that drag should try some simpler memes than the Cunk one from yesterday, until the people on 196 understand the “trans trolls” issue well enough to appreciate memes with more irony and layers in them. It’s a good point, most people don’t really think about transphobes accusing trans people of being trolls very often. Drag would like everyone to understand the issue well enough that when trans people are accused of trolling, most people are ready to think critically about the accusation. Transphobes like to claim legitimacy by saying their BS is in line with the best interests of trans people. Like TERFs crying about trans kids going through “invasive surgeries”. It’s able to fool a lot of people who aren’t familiar with the specific issue.
was good advice apparently because, me being ‘one of the noobs not up to date on the latest issue’ i wasn’t really able to follow yesterday’s meme because it was built on too many layers i hadn’t been present for. This one tho i just think about and ‘yeah makes sense’.
Thank you for the affirmation. Drag is going to keep posting these in increasing complexity until you understand the Cunk meme
why do you refer to yourself in the third person? and why did you link to that comment thread at almost the end? i had to hit “show context” like 15 times to have any idea what the fuck was happening.
neither of these things are helping with people’s confusion. you are aggressively insisting that everyone understands and agrees with your viewpoint on a niche side of a niche community. you can’t expect people to understand the context without being deeeeep in that community. this is probably one of the most trans friendly spaces on the Internet. calling the space generally transphobic is a little too victim complexy.
anything that’s more of a safe space than this is going to be a complete and total echo chamber with no opposing or dissenting views on anything whatsoever. if you want to go somewhere where people can’t disagree with you, it sounds like your own discord server where you can ban people for that is the only option.
Actually, drag identifies as a dragon rider. Drag’s partner is the dragon.
So anyone not within your frame of “people” is just trolling and shitting on people. damn, truly “token-effort”
judge what we don’t understand, instead of letting people just live.
Drag here isn’t harming anyone, and seemingly understands the confusion people get, and is not judging.
You know… your comment is precisely what has and will be said about trans people that conform to the gender roles, and NB’s that don’t fit inside them. It’s the thing terf say when “men go into bathroom! it’s horrible!”
Don’t be a part of the problem plz
I disagree. There are abundant cis women and cis men who go to malls, schools, bars, and streets wearing clothes that they believe make themselves look sexy. If using someone’s sexually charged custom pronouns is considered participating in kink then I’d argue going outside wearing anything vaguely sexual like a crop top is also the same level of participating in kink and that is simply accepted by society.
Have to ask, what’s this kink?
I’ll assume it’s not neopronouns, as that’s just pronouns? And tbh I do not know drag, so I hadon’t know if there is anything else you’re referring to?
Even if you disbelieve drag’s identity, they are NOT the reason transphobia exists. TRANSPHOBES are the reason transphobia exists.
Every marginalized group has some faction that is willing the throw another smaller or more marginalized group under the bus. There are gays trying to claim legitimacy by fighting trans rights, and binary trans folks are saying we’d be a lot farther if nbs didn’t exist. This is just pandering to people who already hate us in the hopes that we can distract them from ourselves for a little while. It doesn’t work and it hurts people who should be our allies.
You mention the kitty litter thing, but you know that was fully a lie, right? It was there in case of an active shooter situation, and the people upset about it weren’t gesturing to people like drag, but to furries, most of whom (in reality) are just enjoying playing pretend. They will make up lies and people to get mad about with or without those people, so how could drag possibly be making this worse?
Enby here - the only one making me feel like I’m treated like a joke is you. Your “problems” are just victim-blaming Drag for the hate the trans community gets as a whole. Drag isn’t responsible for that, and the person repeating transphobic talking points right now is YOU.
Right now, you’re not being an ally. Either educate yourself, or stop speaking for us.
Yeah I promise you if furries vanished off the face of the earth transphobes would still be transphobes. Elon Musk is about to be directly involved in government and you think everything you mentioned here is a real obstacle for trans rights? AstroTurf detected blink twice
i’m still kind of confused wtf is going on but yeah i guess this is certainly easier to read than last time
what hath i wrought 😭
I don’t get what you are trying to say. But every time I had a problem with trolls messing up a certain topic, it wasn’t the topic that was the problem. The problem was the trolls.
There have been a weird number of these increasingly convoluted posts, I think mostly in this community, where they’re like, “if _____ is ______, because ____ are _____ when ____s _____, you’re transphobic/ableist/etc.”
And it just feels like people are trying too hard to find something to deepen the problem of bigotry. The problem is already big. And it’s already kinda nuanced/vague because it involves other people and their history and intentions. That in itself already makes these issues kinda hard to pin down because they are amorphous. But these kind of posts and the others over the past few days definitely make it seem like people are just trying to find new ways to make problems more specific to their personal beliefs.
It just strikes me as a little disingenuous or odd.
All you have to do if you don’t like or understand something is move on. You didn’t need to come here and invalidate someones identity.
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It just strikes me as a little disingenuous or odd.
This just screams that you are being disingenuous yourself is what I mean.
This just screams that you are being disingenuous yourself
lol…um…how? Is this like a “you smelt it you dealt it” rule or something? There has been a sudden uptick in increasingly convoluted memes being posted. And I…pointed that out. That means I’m being disingenuous how, exactly? I’m being disingenuous about…people being disingenuous? What.
Dragon Rider is being accused of being a fake transgender person because people don’t like drags pronouns. The meme implies the so-called trolls are just polite trans people, and that the person being offended by said trans people are simply transphobic, which they are.
It’s hard to understand why anyone gets up in arms with anyone online where there are ways to block and ignore people.
That being said, personal pronouns are an awkward thing linguistically. (Maybe they won’t be in the future?) He. she and they are all pronouns recognized within English and have been for a long time. The farther you stray from those, the more likely you are to annoy people who have an idea of what language is in their heads. Those people could use a change of viewpoint of what language is - specifically that language is alive and changing - but transphobia might not be their real motivation. They’re wrong, but not necessarily the morally bad kind of wrong.
People being annoyed does not justify people harassing someone. If someone thinks neopronouns are weird or annoying on the internet then just don’t engage with them instead of commenting on it all the time.
Edit: I remember not liking neopronouns as a kid and I never went out of my way to bother anyone about it. Also dragon rider doesn’t force anyone to use drags pronouns, drag is fine with they/them
Can’t add anything to the Topic. So here is a picture of my Cat, if someone likes to calm their nerves.
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