16 points

Pelosi’s little crusade against AOC should be a wake up call to anyone thinking the Dems have any way of moving forward.

Get rid of the dinosaurs and embrace progressivism, or perish.

The old guard seems to prefer the latter.

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7 points

Too bad they’re paid not to by their corporate overlords.

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31 points

They dont need to “act like” it, they need to actually be it.

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The notion that any politician right now NEEDS to do anything is a desperate and lazy claim by the citizens. We are the ones that need to rise to action. They are quite comfortable where they are.

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55 points

And they won’t.

The Democratic Party is frankly played out at this point. It’s pretty obviously a zombie party. We need a new one that isn’t beholden to neoliberalism.

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3 points

They’re wholly captured by vested interests.

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Lets call it the giant meteor party, GMP. Itll be about issues related to social good, universal healthcare, age and wealth limits on government officials, banning lobbyists and pacs, eliminating the electoral college, progressive taxation, and defunding the military industrial complex. No centrists allowed. They can pick social good or they can be republicans.

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Please keep that attitude in 2028, when every mention of voting third party gets you called a Nazi and “a vote for 3P is a vote for Trump!!”

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When there’s a viable third party candidate, sure.

Otherwise - yes, it is a vote against your own interests. Hi, I’m one of those who pointed out its just a vote for trump in this past election. It was true then, its still true now. You don’t start during the presidential election season, or you’re just a grifter.

You push for 3rd party in local and state elections and get viable candidates.

Jill Stein is still nothing more than a piece of trash grifter.

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You don’t start during the presidential election season, or you’re just a grifter.

Jill Stein is too busy having lunch with Putin to join the conversation.

Edit: you already called her out. I should read the whole comment before having a kneejerk reaction.

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15 points

Well, it is, statistically. The voting system makes sure of that. We need a better system before we can vote for the best, not the one who is most likely to beat the worst.

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Failing to account for the constraints of the system you’re participating in is a recipe for failing to succeed in said system.

I’m not saying I like the DNC - in fact, I have come to outright detest the party as a whole. But there’s a reason why all the younger progressive legislators are still in the Democratic Party, and that’s tactical political pragmatism. That said, I do think the results of this election, and this continuing ratfucking by the DNC oligarchs is going to be seen as the breaking point in history books (if we eventually pull out of this authoritarian slide and have history books in the future, that is).

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5 points

Different scenario. The hard work of getting a new party or new candidates into the process needs to be done right now. If you don’t see any fruits of that hard work come election day then you need to go with the stop-gap option.

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Although i was already leaning this way but Geriatric Nancy Pelosi pushing the vote against AOC from the hospital from her broken hip made me decide I won’t be voting Democrat in the national elections any time soon.

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No - that’s the wrong response. You’ve got to be tactical. You can’t ignore the constraints of the system if you’re going to participate in the system. Doing so is a recipe for failure.

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11 points

Exactly. I’ll vote for the kind of politician I want in the primary, and vote tactically for the one who is closest to my views, but who stands something of a chance of winning in the general.

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As opposed to the resounding success that we just saw.

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I kinda stopped caring, been voting tactically the last three elections and still got orange mussolini and an our incumbent senator got beat by an out of state republican. And the democratic party is not adjusting, instead its doubling down. Why should I reward this kind of behavior. Local elections and state elections I’ll still keep supporting who I think is best

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