Using ableist language as insults is always bad, even if the words seem innocuous. Some may reference the “euphemism treadmill” to try to justify their behavior, but it’s crucial to understand that the treadmill is merely a linguistic observation. It does not exist to normalize ableist behavior.

what is the euphemism treadmill for those who dont want to google

more reading if bored

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Can’t wait till neurodivergent becomes the new slur and we invent a new word to describe it so people use that instead of a slur which then becomes the new slur so we invent another new word to describe it so people use that instead of a slur which then …

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i hope instead the cycle could be broken in some way. :/ other folks in the thread are pointing out that ND is a term created by its own community, which could add to its resilience. i hope they are right!

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Neurodivergent isn’t an insult…

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“Cisgender” isn’t an insult either, but that doesn’t stop Elon Musk and his flunkies from treating it as such.

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mega fax

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correct, it’s not (or shouldn’t be), but it’s being used as one, especially recently!

precontext: i said i could see both sides of some non-important debate. something about whether a community mod should be heavy or light with bans, and i was like, “well it depends on what the motivations and needs are.”

their response to that?

in this post i hope to call attention to the same destructive processes happening to “neurodiverse” as to all the other terms. particularly i want to call out the ableist motivations behind it.

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It’s an insult because of intent, not because of the word itself, though.

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oh absolutely :) would never disagree with you here 💯💯💯

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You can use gay, homosexual, homo habilis as insults

That doesnt make these words bad

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precisely? never said otherwise :) to quote another person right in this thread whom i agree with:

It’s an insult because of intent, not because of the word itself, though.

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Without the context it doesn’t come off as insulting.

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Yeah and I could call you a wet blanket for not realizing words can be used however the fuck you want.

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fully agree, as i have said here and here.

unfortunately, blocked for being mean about it.

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Not YET!

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With that theory, any word could become an insult.

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Bingo. I assumed more people understood this, so I apologize for not communicating clearly. Any word can become an insult—with the right people in control. What’s particularly hurtful is seeing words that marginalized or oppressed groups use to describe their own experiences being co-opted and turned into insults, reinforcing their otherness.

It happened with “retard,” as with “idiot,” and so many others. Recently, I’ve seen it happen with more niche phrases (look up “is X acoustic” if you’re unfamiliar). Just the other day, I made a comment that I could see two perspectives on a matter. Instead of simply calling me wrong, someone said, “You must be neurodivergent, you’re so gullible.” In that context, “neurodivergent” was clearly being used as a stand-in for the r-slur.

To be clear, I am not against any language. I’m against the weaponizing of language.

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That’s the attitude one would expect from such a high class individual.

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Correct

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I’ve been thinking about how we call people “right-handed” and “left-handed” instead of “handedness-typical” and “handedness-divergent”

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sinister used to just mean left handed!

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Didn’t know that one, it’s a nice one.

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actually GOATED INSIGHT my friend keep it up

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Well there’s right handed and left handed threading which assumes a person with two hands and joints that turn in the opposite directions.

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If one of the words needs an asterisk instead of a letter, I don’t think all of them are equal…

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I have an older family member who is severely mentally disabled and always has been. His medical records diagnosed him as r*tarded. The adults diagnosing him at the time didn’t understand enough about mental conditions and their differences when he was a child. So kids like him were diagnosed with that. It did have more ‘legitimate’ uses than it does in our current context. Doesn’t make it good or right, doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have tried to be more specific either. That legacy leads to now where we have the nuance and resources to do better. I am glad it’s more and more relagated to the past as it’s consistently been used to dehumanize people.

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good thing i didn’t say they were all equal :)

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The euphemism treadmill rather implies we simply load all the meaning and intention on a new word when the old one becomes unacceptable.

But that clearly isn’t the case with this series of words. Many of these words have clearly different meanings and different social stigmas, and some are in use at the same time.

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not at all what im discussing but, glad you were able to come to your own conclusion on this

for my part, no opinion. i just think calling people ableist insults is bad.

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I mean I’d say the asterisk is overdoing it, and that this is mostly because retard isn’t used as a medical diagnosis anymore. If it does ever really die expect special needs or another such word to take its place.

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Oftentimes people ask me why I bother using the asterisk at all. And the answer isn’t to pay respect to those who have been othered for their entire lives by this language, or to minimize the chance of a ban from heavyhanded mods. It’s actually to make you upset, specifically.

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Lmao.

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Idk man, a good chunk of these are just sorta not that associated with their origins anymore. A lot of insults are historically demeaning towards certain groups (especially poor people).

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as always, act everything considering the window of present you are in. “idiot” means a lot less offense today than it did back in the day.

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Reasonable.

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I agree. “idiot-proof” is a common term in the design industry and it’s somewhat synonymous with accessibility, fault tolerance, and resilience.

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