75 points

Rats are more compassionate than insurance companies CEOs.

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Cordyceps is more compassionate than insurance company CEOs.

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CEOs of publicly traded companies doesn’t have the option to show empathy, they are there to maximize the company value for the shareholders.

Going against that would be a crime.

This is not an excuse for not doing it, this is an explanation of a faulty system.

Insurance companies should not have shareholders.

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And not a “that was a bad business move and we’re going to vote to fire you” crime, but an actual white collar prison crime.

It is against US law to prioritize customers (remember, in matters like health insurance, food, and housing, “customers” means literally everyone. you cannot opt out and you must be a customer to live) over shareholders.

Although the term “shareholder fraud” is mostly about CEOs themselves stealing from their shareholders for their personal piggy banks, there are plenty of lawsuits from shareholders claiming the company and/or CEO made decisions that didn’t directly generate value for shareholders or didn’t generate the maximum value it theoretically could have.

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Capitalism wants us to believe that it’s the only stable solution, because it comes close to the natural order, and that in nature there is only selfish behaviour, eat or get eaten, homo homini lupus and so on. The truth is, this supposed natural state is completely made up and animals and human beings naturally behave much more selflessly than what is expected from us under capitalism.

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Thing is, even the phrase homo homini lupus predates capitalism significantly, and the sentiment dates back to before even the phrase. ‘Naturally behave’ is a very questionable phrase.

We have the ability to be better and build better societies than we currently have under capitalism. I just don’t think an appeal to a state of nature is useful or accurate.

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I think there is definitely a line from early modern natural state theory to today’s justification of capitalism, although the argument has somehow reversed itself.

Actual natural behaviour is not even important, since we abandoned that some time ago, and it probably isn’t desirable to go back. Its just easier to sell an ideology when you disguise it as natural order.

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I’d say it’s more of an easy to make justification than a real argument. History is incredibly long and full of varied situations in which creatures have survived in many different ways, so it can be mined for examples to support almost anything and claim it to be “natural”.

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5 points

People didn’t wait for formal capitalism to be assholes.

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i did

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The owners use their captured public education and for profit media to turn us on one another and make us monsters.

They tell us avarice/greed, a well known character deficit and social blight for thousands of years is instead virtuous rational self-interest.

They force us to compete against one another rather than cooperate with one another as the basis of our economy, when an economy is meant to be a lowly tool of society for the explicit use of maximizing the efficient, equitable distribution of goods and services for the benefit of the citizens of the society. Our tail wags the dog. We are slaves to economic growth/metastasis we as a society do not benefit from.

The problem is that the sociopaths, mentally ill people literally incapable of empathy, something most humans have a strong need to exercise, that are among us quickly game society using their mental deficit as an advantage to take more than they need and manipulate others into elevating them, then manipulate those below them into fighting one another perpetually to stay on top.

Humans are social creatures. We’ve been conditioned to act as monsters, condemning our fellow humans literally dying in our streets of exposure and capital defense force brutality as “lowering our property values.”

This isn’t natural. It’s why our nation’s mental health is basically its own apocalypse of mass depression, anxiety, and never ending trauma. We are strongly discouraged from supporting one another, as we’re supposed to do the impossible, pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, then claim we did it alone. That’s the American delusion. 🇺🇸

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This really resonates with me. You are an excellent writer.

The part about empathy is so real. A lack of empathy is a real advantage in today’s world, unfortunately. I think empathy should be one of the most important values a society should strive for, and we decided to make a society that rewards sociopathy instead.

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Thank you, sincerely.

I know my comment history is basically the same points rehashed over and over as applied to the symptoms of the day we’re experiencing, but it helps me feel like I’m holding onto sanity in an insane society to describe the core rot as I see it, and I appreciate your kind words.

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24 points

After observing all of the animals I’ve ever lived with, I’ve come to the opinion (unsupported, I suppose, by any real evidence) that empathy is an important part of being alive. I think every living being has empathy, and humans just got quite good at beating it out of other humans to the point where displaying psychopathic traits became something culturally celebrated.

We’ve been trained to be this way, and we need to reverse that trend.

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Altrusim is a good trait to ensure the survival of a species, while being a selfish bastard is a good trait to ensure the survival of the individual. It all depends on the situation.

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I’d say this is the case for mammals and birds, but I think other branches of the tree of life are more hit or miss since they’re less social animals.

I’d be curious to see a study of empathy on octopi, the smartest non-social animal.

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But don’t you see all the wealth we are creating by doing things this way?!

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Meanwhile humans, when put thru the same experiment, realize they can make the human in the unpleasant box pay $ if it wants out. They then learn to create more boxes for more profit.

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24 points

I dont believe this is inherent. It’s not human nature. Its social conditioning as a result of living in a capitalist society.

In a capitalist society, yes. Absolutely a lot of people would do this. But even then, its not everyone.

I live in capitalism but i would certainly not force someone to pay me to let them out of a trap. Especially if they were suffering. And i would never befriend someone that would.

I would think they were a cunt.

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you must suck at capitalism then and would literally never be able to chair a publicly traded company maximizing profits, no matter the cost, for shareholders then. (i say lovingly)

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11 points

If I’m ever told that I belong on a board of directors at a company, I’m going to Luigi myself. I would have deserved it

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I really dont mind sucking at capitalism.

That’s like saying “you suck at giving people cancer” or saying “you are terrible at being a complete dildo”

Yeah. I am fine with that.

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And i would never befriend someone that would.

My problem here: many of us are friends with one of the other person that thinks investing money in the stock market is a good idea and taxes for the rich is bad. Those people are already forcing others to pay to get out of a trap, they just have a few middle men.

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I mean, we still live in this mess, so investing your money in the stock market is in fact a good idea. We should obviously tax the rich.

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Meanwhile, humans are stuffing other animals into cages to see what happens.

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and then murdering them. good point.

ironic that experiment on empathy done by scientists doing mouse experiments.

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