I just can’t find a decent email client that looks like it’s from the last 20 years. Geary and Evolution both appear to be pretty modern but something about using Gmail with a Yubikey just doesn’t work and neither of them will connect to my account. Both on Fedora and OpenSUSE. Thunderbird works but it’s so old fashioned and Betterbird doesn’t look much better. What’s everyone else using?
What do you find “old-fashioned” about Thunderbird? Do you not consider an interface “new” if they don’t change it and hide all the common features every five minutes like Microsoft does? It’s an email client, you read your emails in it. How would you do it better?
Heh I just ran into the invisible icons issue recently, for whatever reason I am no longer able to accept Teams meeting. Yeah that’s definitely a shitty thing. But more whitespace? In other words, less visible information on the screen which requires more scrolling or clicking to other screens? Sorry, that just sounds annoying and less productive.
Information density MUST be suitable for humans. Usability and productivity both have nothing in common with amount of clicking and scrolling required.
Just imagine making your font size something about 5px. And 1.0 as a line height. Sounds good, isn’t it? There ia so much information displayed on the screen.
Sorry, that just sounds annoying and less productive.
It is but the “holy trinity” of Ui/UX design Apple, Google and Microsoft have been pushing this for years now.
My eye twitches anytime I go onto a webpage that’s just a phone app in the middle of my screen with two blank voids on either side.
Thunderbird. It’s great
I am not sure how to make it look shitty like Gmail, maybe you could theme it to wast a ton of space.
Seriously, do you want a useful email client or not?
I use eM, it has tons of options and the mail rules are next level.
Protonmail web client and Android app tbh
For work it’s obviously outlook
doesn’t have to be outlook! davmail (configured with the outlook client id) can provide an imap bridge for mbsync, thunderbird, etc to access in even the most restrictive O365 environments.
davmail.oauth.clientId=d3590ed6-52b3-4102-aeff-aad2292ab01c
davmail.oauth.redirectUri=urn:ietf:wg:oauth:2.0:oob
That’s great but not that useful or needed. I need full exchange support for calendar, contacts etc. IMAP just doesn’t cut it
For corporate work it’s not really my stance on software that is important, it’s the company’s. And id rather be as frictionless as possible with company policy.
I get not wanting to find yourself in the crosshairs of IT policy people. And more so, having reverence for security measures. But, at least for the enterprise software I interact with, I don’t see security implications and don’t feel the effort to be frictionless is symmetric. I see the opposite. Policies increase insecure behavior and are obstacles to my job.
Methinks those making purchase and policy decisions are not those who interact with the consequences (use the software in anger). I’ve been on the receiving end of some sales pitches – the users are often an afterthought, not a priority. It’s hard to respect the spirit (if not the letter) of bad policies, especially when the polices are hostile to me-the-user and getting-my-job-done.
Currently grinding my gears: Why are we using MS Teams? Why does Teams block firefox (and safari, based on user-agent of all things!)? Why is IMAP disabled?
Give the aforementioned davmail main page a look! The diagram does a pretty good job showing it’s capabilities. Among other services, davmail bridges to LDAP (contacts) and calDav (calendar) too!
I pull my work outlook calendar and personal google with vdirsync and khal on laptop and desktop.
That’s interesting. Do you know of something that can solve the contacts issue? I have 1 or 2 added contacts in Outlook but 140.000 other employees on the directory. When I need to send a mail I just type the name and Outlook web finds the person. I would really need that for a third party client. Also calendar. My company is super restrictive with this. No smtp access and no easy direct integration. I use web because Outlook (the program, but also everything Microsoft) sucks. On Android I use Outlook but I can’t copy text or take screenshots, which also sucks.
yeah! davmail provides a LDAP bridge for contact lookup. There’s a guide for setting up Thunderbird to use it
I know it’s not an answer you expect but I just use the official web client. I hate how there’s 2+ sidebars and a lot of features I don’t need in standalone clients. I just need inbox, spam, trash and probably search.
