182 points

An entire industry built on taking money they didn’t earn to deny the care our doctors prescribe for us… Are we stupid??

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I mean, the electorate keeps voting for people who won’t pass health care reform so… Yes?

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33 points

worse, we vote for healthcare reforms that would take us back to when no one poor got any care at all. we elected our own killers

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22 points

Those people are the only options on the ballot though. We can’t vote for something that’s not an option

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7 points

The fuck are you talking about? First of all, primaries exist. Secondly, with only a few notable exceptions, Democrats favor single-payer. The original ACA was a government healthcare bill with a private option but Joe Lieberman was the holdout and gutted it. Stating otherwise is intellectually dishonest and deliberately ignorant, or at worst a malicious rewrite of history.

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We had that option in 2016 but nobody votes in the fucking primaries.

And the party did everything they could to screw him over.

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9 points

Not only that , but voting for the people who are promising to make it even worse.

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4 points

Propaganda told them to.

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26 points

Are we stupid??

Yup.

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5 points

It’s not stupidity, because over 99% of us didn’t have a choice. It’s greed. Greedy little piggy leaders of major systems designed to fuck over everyone but them.

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1 point

My default response to this is what was voter turnout for the last election? People are fond of referring to the 4 boxes: soap, ballot, jury, and cartridge, but they don’t bother with the second.

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I’ve literally never heard a single person refer to these 4 boxes, so I must take issue with your assertion that people are fond of doing it. You’re also seemingly discounting innumerable factors, like the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on distracting and deceiving people into both voting against their best interests, and not voting at all.

In short, your default response is a reductive and unhelpful platitude. Not trying to be a jerk (it just comes naturally). Best of luck.

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139 points

Good. Burn it all down and replace it with universal healthcare.

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28 points

Like every other modern country! They all get better care for less money!!!

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No, you see, America is bigger so it won’t work for some reason

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Just ignore economies of scales you little working class peasants. That doesn’t work here.

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It’s because they have more people per capita, duh.

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5 points

Then they’re a monopoly, so we’ll split them back up in 20 years. And let this cycle continue again.

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2 points

Public services have this one difference that they’re governed by a democratically chosen body

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9 points

Awfully optimistic of you to expect that it’ll be replaced by anything better.

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If I don’t have even a shred of optimism my mental health would be x10 worse. I need it, swiper no swiping. 🙃

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4 points

Aw maannn

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I have mixed feelings. On one hand I can absolutely see m4a being awesome if implemented in the laziest way and I can see Trump winding up doing that purely for popularity (highly unlikely but not impossible). But I imagine it’s more likely to be like tricare and i imagine it would explicitly exclude politicized Healthcare like abortion, birth control, and gender affirming care.

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US Healthcare is in a pretty bad spot as it is, any durable improvement would be an improvement nonetheless. Just like how the Affordable Care Act was a significant improvement over the wild under-regulated denial-fest that the pre-ACA insurance industry was

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I like your optimism but trump will hug Eric and tell him he loves him and that he’s the bestest boy ever before he implements universal health care

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but I wouldn’t leave replacing them off of the table…

Trump wants his solutions. It’s gonna be hard figuring out what solutions currently in place will be allowed to stay.

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67 points

Burn the industry to the ground.

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48 points

Is it 0? No?

Have a ways to go then.

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8 points

Same goes for number of biz execs/CEOs.

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36 points

What shit timing for this… Imagine if this happened like a year ago. Maybe Democrats could have actually had a reason to be pushed to talk about this… Seeing how even Magoos were happy the guy got killed maybe things could have been different.

We live in the stupid timeline though so somehow this will just get worse :/

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1/3+ of the party wanted Bernie. Twice. And they couldn’t be arsed to talk about it, his primary policy position. They’re still not taking about it. Too much donor money involved for them to give a shit what their voters say.

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Had a reason? They already had a reason. They had thousands of reasons. Thousands of Americans dying due to the shit industry. Is that not a reason enough for Democrats?

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They always had the excuse of “people love their healthcare!” That’s the line that was always trotted out. It would be pretty difficult to keep that line when we’re literally executing healthcare CEOs and having a positive nationwide reaction to it.

If journalists would actually do their proper duty for the population and not their masters (lmao) they’d start pushing representatives on the topic as it relates to the response.

(Instead though we get articles like “Bad luck Brian was the working class hero, not Luigi” from the NYT. 🤮)

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Bernie’s Medicare For All plan has been out there close to a decade now and I would argue that proposal is a huge part of his popularity. Democrats knew that and they told him, and by extension his supporters, to go fuck themselves. They know people want this but they don’t care.

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Dems killed off single-payer years ago. Obamacare was designed to be dogshit under their watch. Sorry friend, we both are in the sufferin’-timeline where the DNC never does anything but crush any chance at progressive policy that could “hurt” their rich donors

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That not entirely accurate. Just a wander through the wiki on the history of the ACA shows what happened, both the efforts and roadblocks, the improvements to what was before, as well as the limited time frame.

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Isn’t Obamacare really Romneycare with Democratic support? They compromised so much to get it through. Manchin and the like, the thorn in the Democratic party. But yeah, Berniecare would be much better, partly because I think he cares a lot more than a lot of politicians.

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If i can find the article all about bullshit the Democrats’ did to the ACA before it got signed I’ll link it. Quite a bit more to it then compromising with Rs, they had a lot of Ds to ‘convince’

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