“Neoliberal shill” who has achieved more leftist policy goals in three and a half years than all US leftists combined have in the last 30.
There hasn’t been anything close to a leftist president in America since FDR.
There hasn’t been anything close to a leftist president in America since FDR.
How FDR Saved Capitalism | Hoover Institution
During the economic crisis of the 1930s, many expected a socialist revolution. The revolution never came. Why? The man in the White House co-opted the left. By Hoover fellow Seymour Martin Lipset and Gary Marks.
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Ah yes, FDR, who rounded up Japanese Americans and put them in concentration internment camps.
Which is a rather interesting parallel to Biden and Palestine, or Biden and US border patrol, or Biden and law enforcement.
All that to say it’s probably not possible to be the US president and not do heinously evil shit, and therefore voting for president needs to be strategic, pragmatic, and nuanced, rather than ideological
Undoing fascist rules put in by the previous resident does not count as achieving “leftist policy goals”; implementation of permanent law does.
Meanwhile, people have lost abortion rights, the rule of law has basically been suspended for potential coup participants. So yeah, I’m just gonna say we’re not doing well. Meanwhile, I’m still going to vote Biden no matter what. We’ve already lost the democracy, but I’m going to delay the implementation of the far right authoritarian state for as long as possible.
But abortion rights were lost because people refused to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016.
Do you really feel that this is a relevant thing to say to someone who says they’re voting for biden even if he’s 6ft underground?
I don’t know whether or not that is true, but it is meaningless without considering what the other hand has also done in that period. You have to consider the net effect, not pick out isolated examples. Has the rate of wealth disparity growth even stopped increasing under Biden?
Can a president realistically control that? They don’t control inflation.
Printing a shitload of money and calling it “inflation reduction” is certainly the wrong way to help.
I get this. Democrats are not left enough for me but all said and done I would love to live in a world where carter had a second term and a gore administration was running things for the top of the millenium and have hilary over trump and who knows she might have surprised us with some good stuff but at the least we would not have left the paris accords which might have done better with gore and no iraq invasion. maybe we would have had a war on global warming.
I’m a green voter. I have voted green in the past three presidential elections, and intend to do so again this year. If you have an argument as to why that’s a bad idea that isn’t one that I’ve heard before, get in touch!
you’ve probably heard this before, but you’ve been voting republican for three elections. the fact that you’ve heard it before doesn’t make it untrue, it just makes you vote republican on purpose.
I heard that argument in 2016 and it hadn’t become any less false than it was then.
33.1% of eligible voters didn’t vote in 2020, 40.8% didn’t vote in 2016. Your priorities are misplaced. You should be more concerned about these nonvoters, they outnumber third party voters seventeenfold and are far less stubborn.
You haven’t changed my mind.
first of all, there are no priorities, you asked about your vote and I answered. i would say the same to a nonvoter.
second of all, oh wait i did. because you are not really different from a nonvoter. except as you admitted more stubborn… so you’re just worse. thanks for just volunteering that info.
you can add yourself to the 40.8% because you’re all doing the same thing: voting for the republican party.
Voting Green appears to be the way to go. Current Democrats are unwilling to compromise on anything, not even stop a Genocide.
Promoting this behavior any further is the actual biggest danger to democracy not their permastuck 2016 fiction of having to save democracy every 4 years.
I can’t my head around how voting Republican stops genocide…that is a leap in logic my brain just isn’t doing.
I can’t my head around how voting Democrat stops genocide…that is a leap in logic my brain just isn’t doing.
My statement is actually not a strawman. Sad reality.
I have a question…do you actually expect them to ever win without voting reform?
Because of the nature of FPTP voting it only matters if you’re in a swing state. If you’re voting green from a solidly blue state, keep at it, but if you’re in i.e. Michigan or Nevada, please reconsider.
My only regret in 2016 was not living in a swing state. I know how ftpt works.
Democrats can earn my vote by implementing ranked choice voting. They’re a solid 3rd choice pick on the ballot.
It’s FPTP, but ok.
In that system, it is two-party and people who didn’t vote for the opponent of the winner, gave their vote to the winner (it was one less vote needed to win). You can never win with your candidate but you make the winning side need one less vote…just like if you voted for them. In some cases, like green party, they would only vote blue if they literally had no choice but red and blue. So they are always taking a vote away from blue. Every single election, green party voters have only helped the GOP. Like libertarians voting third party only ever helps the Democrats.
I mean I was green but I left it after the party nominees were all garbage rich fucks who mostly just seem to like being popular and having money.
Plus after the hissy fit of blaming other parties for not getting their own paperwork in order and demanding the party members not vote in protest which doesn’t respect the importance of voting.
But hey you do you.
Is there a party without rich fucks? I would prefer that but I’m yet to find one.
Biden isn’t a “neo-liberal shill” he’s a boring, middle of the road corporatist.
Republicans and Democrats have been moving steadily to the right for the last 40 years. So now, the Democrats are where the Republicans used to be in the 1980s: friends of banks, insurance and pharmaceutical companies. And the Republicans have moved all the way into an insane asylum.
Biden isn’t a “neo-liberal shill” he’s a {exact definition of neo-liberal shill}
Lol the post you made this as a response to literally has tankies calling themselves tankies and stating that they will not vote for Biden.
Seethe harder.
Buddy, the meme wasn’t about you, clearly. Why are you simping so hard for tankies?
I understand your stance and respect your freedom to do that. I myself have held my nose and voted for the lesser evil many times in my life.
But now that the lesser evil is literally evil, I can’t do it anymore. I can’t back Trump or Biden. I won’t vote for a genocide.
If a genocide happens, it won’t be by my vote. And if this country collapses under Trump, it’s only the inevitable happening a little sooner.
When folks start winding up in camps,I hope you’ll take comfort in the thought of “I didn’t do anything to stop it, so it’s not my fault!”
If, 30 years from now, the choice is between a democrat who wants 5 genocides and a republican who wants 10, will you still cling to American electoralism as hard as you are now? Will you still be militantly democrat?
This logic isn’t sustainable.
The correct answer for genuine supporters of Harm Reduction via electoralism is usually yes, as that’s the logic of electoralism. Anything else is to admit you simply have a different “no return” threshold from others.
The fact of the matter is that you either stick to your guns about believing in electoralism, and no matter what vote for the lesser evil among the 2 largest candiates, or you don’t. If you don’t, you’re picking where you draw your personal line in the sand.
For some people, genocide at all is a line, domestic or foreign. For others, foreign is fine, domestic is not.
If trump wins, he voted for trump. That is how spoiler votes and non-voting works in our system.
The people with his absurd mentality are quitters. If the worst comes to pass, and the world suffers harshly for it, I trust history will remember his ilk in the exact same vein as MAGA.
The people with his absurd mentality are quitters.
I’m sorry, is supporting Biden supposed to be a test of endurance?
That’s pretty fucked up.
I don’t think a vote is an endorsement. Sometimes it’s an end of a bus to stand in as it’s teetering over the edge of a cliff. You might be shoulder to shoulder with a murderer, and you might be there for a while ,it might also be for nothing - but there’s a chance it doesn’t fall off. It isn’t inevitable. It’s very evitable.
