177 points

Whiteness won’t help here, this dude attacked the owner class. He’s going to be smeared then locked up for the rest of his life.

What remains to be seen now is whether he gets better medical care in prison than he did via publicly available insurance.

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51 points

The answer to medical debt or trying to survive without health care … murder a health insurance CEO, get thrown in jail and receive medical care while incarcerated.

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29 points

CEOs hate this one trick

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3 points

This dude did not attack anyone. Evidence was so obviously planted that it’s funny.

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2 points

Technically, all prison health care is publicly available

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98 points

Well, he wasn’t shot, choked to death, or mangled in the back of a police van at the time of arrest, so that’s already a win for him.

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6 points

Or locked up in the back and placed on train tracks…

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there’s also the ‘being rich’ thing

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Took me a second to puzzle this out…

Just in case any of my fellow Europeans need an extra nudge in the right direction, this is relating to the guy who has been arrested for shooting the healthcare CEO, and nothing to do with people in Italy.

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42 points

You mean the innocent man they arrested on suspicion of shooting the healthcare CEO

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20 points

You mean the good samaritan who shot the CEO.

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17 points

Thanks. I was really wondering what this was about.

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well yeah, mediterraneans like Italians and Moroccans don’t count as white in europe.

EDIT : People are thinking that this is being racist against people, wheras it’s 60% satirical, 40% pointing out problematic perceptions of race.

EDIT2 : updated text and information :

https://lemmy.world/comment/13904300

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47 points

“White” is not a category that is used a lot in Europe.

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50 points

Exactly. The term we use to categorize Italians is “Italian”.

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Morrocans don’t count as anything in Europe.

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updated text and information :

https://lemmy.world/comment/13904300

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12 points

France also borders the Mediterranean, so I don’t think you know what you’re talking about

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updated text and information :

https://lemmy.world/comment/13904300

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7 points

Wtf are you smoking ?

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So, the idea is more in the way race is actually percieved, and how unjust it is, and in the people who are usually regarded outside the “desirable” label try to fit into it, while only recieving partial recognition.

“European” is usually used to indicate positive aspects, and people from greater europe usually enjoy claiming that origin to label themselves with the positive aspects that come with it.

Although when you look at attitudes in europe, it’s more fragmented and nuanced, with many additional barriers and classifications. For example, PIIGS :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIGS_(economics)

Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain (And Ireland) are accepted as european, but with the idea that they are not as deserving of the criteria due to economic troubles. This marks a cultural two tier european perception within europe, with places like Germany looking down on Spain or Italy. Astute readers may mark that all these countries (except ireland) are mediterranian, and racism against the Irish has its own history.

This also happens to eastern europe :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_enlargement_of_the_European_Union

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_enlargement_of_the_European_Union

Each wave coming with it’s own conservative scaremongering of immigration (despite a lot of needed professionals of high quality and work ethic migrating from said countries) and racist BS. Thus, someone from Poland or Romania are seen as “european” but with a large asterisk.

When those people try to claim the “white” or “european” indicator to take advantage of the positive perception, it feels like they are trying to claim to be something that they are partially gatekept outside of.

Of course, there are noble aspects to people and zones all over the world. This is all silly and irritating and basically racist.

However, I personally find it stupid when people who are about to be marginalised try to claim in group status by the in group that doesn’t 100% support them. They are trying to fit into the in group to further their own agenda, instead of advocating for a non in-group/out-group status.

Hence, the joke that Mediterranian countries like italy or morocco. Because the kinds of itallians that are trying to bust their ass to seem “white” would take offence to being painted with the same brush as “africans”. They quickly forget that the Roman empire spread all over the middle east and north africa, and those parts currently seen as “undesirable” were a valid part of the empire.

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64 points

It is and always has been a class war. The owners love us squabbling over skin color.

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Am from Italy, italians are the whitest of the whites. Rome, the church, the basis of modern Patriarchy and white supremacy was born and raised here folks

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I’m from Italy as well. I always like to remember a quote from Charles Mingus, who at some point in his career had an entire black band with the exception of his sax player, Charlie Mariano. When asked about it, he answered something along of the lines of “He’s not white, he’s Italian.”

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23 points

Maybe the social meaning of ethnicity is really relative to the racist empires they’re situated in and not on some sort of inherent value

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yea, its because the Italians (and Irish, Chinese, etc as well) generally came to America later and were poorer than the British/French/Germans etc were, so they were often discriminated against (plus the mafia thing, but that also generally comes from being poorer)

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That’s great and all, but it means nothing to race theorists.

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I don’t know what you define as that demographic, but what I said is just the truth. The culture in Italy is very mixed and different between regions, but racism, both cultural and structural, is rampant, even between Italians of the north and south

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4 points

Holy Roman Empire of German Nation was a thing once…

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4 points

i disagree

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I wonder if this is partially a north/south italy divide thing (I don’t know all that much about Italy but I have heard the north was generally more privileged)

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I don’t know about the north, but the places my family are from are not 5 star cities, especially my dads mom. her town is super small and is very poor.

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the basis of modern Patriarchy

So pagans weren’t white?

white supremacy was born

The Norse?

What a weird definition you use

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What I meant is simply that the roman empire and the Catholic church forged ideological colonial basis of today, not that racism didn’t exist before

Also I meant Patriarchy as an overarching colonial institution, not as an isolated cultural concept. The world wasn’t always universally like this, there are many examples of non (or less) patriarchal societies throughout history, and we don’t know enough about prehistory to make any definitive judgement on humanity

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What I meant is simply that the roman empire and the Catholic church forged ideological colonial basis of today, not that racism didn’t exist before

True but that doesn’t fit with your argument as a precondition to being white

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white supremacy was born

The Norse?

Where in the world does that come from?

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Norse are the Scandinavians

I would say Northern Germanic but it might cause confusion with the country

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