Boeing will plead guilty to a criminal fraud charge stemming from two deadly crashes of 737 Max jetliners after the government determined the company violated an agreement that had protected it from prosecution for more than three years, the Justice Department said Sunday night.

Federal prosecutors gave Boeing the choice this week of entering a guilty plea and paying a fine as part of its sentence or facing a trial on the felony criminal charge of conspiracy to defraud the United States.

Prosecutors accused the American aerospace giant of deceiving regulators who approved the airplane and pilot-training requirements for it.

The plea deal, which still must receive the approval of a federal judge to take effect, calls for Boeing to pay an additional $243.6 million fine. That was the same amount it paid under the 2021 settlement that the Justice Department said the company breached. An independent monitor would be named to oversee Boeing’s safety and quality procedures for three years.

The plea deal covers only wrongdoing by Boeing before the crashes, which killed all 346 passengers and crew members aboard two new Max jets. It does not give Boeing immunity for other incidents, including a panel that blew off a Max jetliner during an Alaska Airlines flight in January, a Justice Department official said.

160 points

They did it once, then did it again and not only is it still just a fine, the fine didn’t even go up. Given inflation since then, the fine actually went down in real terms.

That’ll teach them for sure! /s

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“You have to put over $400 million of your own money and launder it back around into the safety department of your own company”

That’ll teach em.

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Boeing made $76B in revenue in 2023. This is slightly more than 1 day’s revenue for them ($210M / day) or a bit more than 10 days profit for them ($21M / day). They will keep doing what they’re doing, but increase their spending on a PR campaign to improve their public image.

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They will keep doing what they’re doing

Wrong.

This plea deal helps them quantify the cost of safety lapses, which they didn’t have before. Now they know that they’ll only get fined a tiny bit, they know that it’ll be worth it to cut further corners if that helps them sell maybe 5-10 more planes in total.

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5 points

Just part of the cost of doing business.

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Exactly. This is like if you charged the average person $1 for causing a major motorway accident.

It’s a joke of a fine in the face of Boeing’s profits - basically telling them they can get away with severe and wreckless disregard for human life in return for just over a week’s profits.

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You make 1$/day?

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No, but it’s on a similar scale as far as Boeing is concerned.

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If my maths is right that works out to just over 48 minutes of profit per person killed…

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In a major win for the DOJ Boeing has agreed to a plea deal to avoid a criminal trial. As part of the deal Boeing agreed to a slap on the wrist after which they will be legally required to admit to being very naughty before they can resume committing crimes.

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If you were I were to commit criminal fraud, we would go to prison. Why is it that a corporation, which is also considered to be a person, does not need to do something as life-altering?

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It’s insane. Of course we can’t just jail a corporation and just shutting them down forcibly would cause more problems than it solves, but really that fine needs to be at least 50 times as high. Probably 100 times. Something that hurts, a lot. Not enough to outright bankrupt them, but enough to do that if it happens again any time soon. Their yearly revenue is 72 billion. This is the equivalent of someone making 50k a year paying a $200 fine for gross negligience that killed people. What the fuck?

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Jail the executives and/or apply the fine to them. They are ultimately the ones that pushed this culture to happen, and as they say “the buck stops here”.

Wishful thinking, I know. It would never happen in real life.

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I don’t think a fine is an appropriate result. Any amount of money paid to the government is not going to get those people back, it’s not going to fix Boeing’s workplace culture, it’s just going to drive them to cut more corners to recoup the cost of the fine.

Clearly, they can’t be trusted to run their own QC operation in an industry where a few missed bolts leads to the violent deaths of hundreds of people. The “punishment” should be the creation of a QC and safety team that is accountable to the American people, which is paid for directly by Boeing. This team is financially liable for Boeing’s mistakes, and picks a fee based on how well boeing is passing QCs and inspections. Most importantly, Boeing’s C-suite is not allowed to privately communicate with this team.

Accountability should be the “punishment.”

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3 points

Fine the shareholders personally, the major ones. I leave it to the lawyers to figure out how to go about that.

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66 points

So a bribe so nobody goes to jail…

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9 points

Pretty much.

America really loves protecting those upper management from taking responsibility!

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1 point

A bribe with someone else’s money.

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61 points

I liked it better when large corps could go dark practically overnight, e.g. Enron. Andersen, et al.

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And then the concept of “too big to fail” was born.

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Too big to fail means too big to exist, you’re a defacto monopoly and need to be broken apart if you’re too big to fail.

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Does duopoly count, the only competitor is Airbus

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More specifically, the government got Enron but the PR campaign waged by corporate lobbyists is directly responsible for the milquetoast prosecutions since then. They actually got a majority of Americans to believe the government was at fault for people losing their jobs and pensions. The pensions that were already embezzled. And the jobs that were already getting cut because the embezzling was starting in on the corporation.

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