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Why don’t we start by making private planes illegal instead? That amount of pollution to just move around a couple of rich assholes is insane.

Also, let’s force the industry to repair and upgrade all their infrastructure to apply more recent carbon filters. That way, we could block a “very” big chuck of the problem at his source.

But no… Let’s keep taking away things from the middle classes instead. After all, who needs meat, bugs are way cheaper, right?

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Whole lot of whaboutism from personal responsibility and no body wants you to eat bugs.

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Without meat, we need proteins. So either alimentar integrators (which are not cheap) or any “cheaper” alternative, and bugs are cheaper of fruit cultivation.

Also, the private plane thing was a provocation, but in all honesty, planes ARE the most polluting vehicles, and private one are the worst.

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You can get your protein from lentils, chickpeas, tofu, tempeh, black beans, quinoa, peanut butter, almonds, spirulina, chia seeds, broccoli, and spinach.

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instead

We’re not doing either, because both the animal agriculture and private airline industry exist to benefit our liege lords

You’ll be eating the bugs (and liking it) soon enough. Just have to find the profit motive

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As long as billionaires are allowed to run around and do what ever the fuck they want I will continue eating meat and not giving a fuck about recycling.

As long as billionaires have zero consequences then I will have zero sacrifices.

Fuck you all as long as you let billionaires destroy the earth while the poors take the hit.

Nah fuck all that shit.

If you want me to stop eating meat then fucking make me.

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That’s absolving yourself of your personal responsibility to your health, the environment and the animals.

Just because someone is stepping on puppies doesn’t make it okay for you to do it too. No one should base their morality on the reprehensible things rich people do.

Besides the plant-based alternatives are great, you wont be missing meat for long.

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As long as Israel is allowed to bomb children with impunity I will continue to beat my children.

They kill dozens of children in a day and I beat mine maybe once, twice a week. They’re the real problem, and I’m not making any sacrifices until they’re held accountable.

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I obviously don’t know anything about you other than that you’re a lemmy user and I get your sentiment. Remember that there are likely those worse off than you as well as those with more, and those worse off will be more affected by the ongoing climate crisis.

I’m not gonna make you do anything, but by not doing anything, you’re throwing those even worse off than yourself under the bus, in the same way billionaires are throwing everone worse off than them under the bus.

We don’t all have to screw people over who have less power than us, even if that’s what billionaires do.

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Great an astroturfer…

You’re lying about ever being vegan as if you were you would’ve known that processed vegan food products are not the only alternatives to eating meat as there are pulses, peas, beans, lentils, nuts, seeds and whole grains you can have instead.

Plant-based meat is actually healthier than processed meat and red meat.

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Someone is trolling.

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you would’ve known that processed vegan food products are not the only alternatives

I think you should give them the benefit of the doubt in this instance – they could be dumb as a rock.

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They’re clearly trolling, I have never heard of this instance.

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It’s far more nutrient rich than any of the overly processed vegan garbage

Nothing more nutritious than slop. Keep stuffing your face with hamburger

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Lies again, the vast majority of meat is factory farmed.

The exceptional rare “local farms” do not stop the exploitation and slaughter.

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overly processed vegan garbage.

Am not vegan, but your issue here is eating all these “plant-based” ultra-processed food and thinking that’s the only way. Just eat more veggie and mushroom and bean.

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Yeah but the slop being market to gen pop is literally same quality as a hotdog

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“I want to help save the earth!”

“Great! Eat less meat.”

" . . . . No."

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I ain’t gonna stop eating meat to save 100g of CO2 a year while Taylor Swift takes her jet when she needs to tinkle.

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I ain’t gonna stop beating my children while Israel drops bombs on schools to take out a hamas laptop.

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Eat your bugs, you need to offset the damage caused by a billionaire’s third yacht.

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Why is your moral compass calibrated according to the worst people? Is not being the worst possible human being good enough?

Also, as long the general public doesnt change whats acceptable and what not through their actions, why would the rich change anything? Theyre not the ones who will suffer from climate change and they dont care.

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It’s about efficiency.

What’s better? Forcing 1000000 people to eat bugs and beans, or summarily executing one Elon Musk?

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I mean, I’m 90% veg for environmental reasons mostly. But every time we share this narrative that the effort needs to be on us while the true culprits are literally upping their consumption is fucking sick. Don’t guilt people for not doing 1% of what is needed while the people/corpos doing the other 99% are pushing this “personal responsibility” narrative and literally created the language to deflect blame. We should be way more upset and spend 20000x the effort shaming and shutting down those organizations.

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It doesn’t matter if you put 2000x your effort into something if it has no effect. If you spend all your day shaming these corporations on lemmy that won’t do anything. So the question should be what actions can make an effect?

Protests don’t really do much. Electoral politics, at least here in the u.s. , are completely captured by these corporations and will never truly challenge them. I doubt what just happened in NYC is a valid tactic either. A revolution or even just a general strike is pretty much out of the picture right now.

The best and only way to get at the mega corporations causing all the climate change is to boycott them. The meat industry is burning the Amazon and emitting tons of methane, boycott them and eat less / no meat. The fossil fuel industry is lobbying congress to deny climate change while increasing production and emitting more every year, boycott them and buy less gas by driving less or taking public transit.

In this capitalist hellscape the only real choice we have is of consumption, and choosing what to consume and more importantly what not to consume is the only real way we can effect the system.

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The best and only way to get at the mega corporations causing all the climate change is to boycott them.

Sorry to say this, but these boycotts rarely do anything. If enough people would boycott some company, or business practice to matter only a little bit, then there also would be enough people to effect politics to try to get better regulation in place, via electoralism, direct action of just getting actively involved in politics.

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I wouldn’t worry much about the “I’m doing X more to offset you doing Y!” crowd. Probably a few act like that but firstly they’ll say it to everyone they don’t like (and one meat eater eating 2x meat can’t feasibly offset more than one vegan, so their impact is limited) and secondly most of them are just ragebaiting.

The same people post shit like “omg getting a Starbucks!!!” under videos calling for boycotts due to Gaza.

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I’m definitely not worried about the people saying they’ll spite-eat more meat. I’m talking about us putting so much effort into shaming people for not going veg—so I’m talking about the opposite.

The blame isn’t at our feet. It’s not on us. That’s the companies literally pitting us against each other, baiting us into shaming other .00002% contributors to climate change while they, the true 99.99998% culprits, increase their output and greenwash their literal mass murder crimes.

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Sure, it’s more than just encouraging people to drop meat and dairy. It’s also voting for people who will make it financially impossible for those industries to continue.

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I absolutely agree with you. Meat is something that has a big impact on the climate and this is something that we as the consumers actively can control. If society decides to buy less and instead higher quality meat the demand will go down and therefore the CO2 footprint. However, this is nothing that is possible without the government supporting this change.

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and this is something that we as the consumers actively can control.

didn’t you try that?

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society decides to buy less and instead higher quality meat the demand will go down and therefore the CO2 footprint

this isn’t causal

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Relatable

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Hey how about you cut down on private jets and I keep eating my burgers

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Two things can both be done. Saying one thing is worse is only an excuse to do nothing. Those rich fucks on their jets will probably point to companies polluting more. Do what’s best and advocate the same for others. Everyone just pointing to something else is how we end up in the situation we’re in. “I got mine. Go attack them!” Changing ourselves allows us to see all issues and work on them all.

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Yeah right, eating less meat smells awful lot like “calculate your carbon footprint”

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