196 points

If you’re trying to figure out who this is for, the answer is “My clients.”

We deploy systems that have to run as servers, but need a UI because the people maintaining them are brain dead idiots. Windows Server isn’t an option because each system sells at a fairly low price point; adding on the cost of a server license would kill our margins. So we need an OS that runs like Linux, but looks like Windows.

Now you might be thinking “Just use KDE? It’s got a start menu, everything is still in basically the same places, and the only software anyone runs is a web browser.” And you would be vastly underestimating the degree to which moving any component of the UI even the slightest bit causes the average user to shit their pants in terror and freeze up like a deer in the headlights. You’ll point to the start menu and they move the mouse towards it like you just instructed them to defuse a bomb. Eyes closed, they’ll instinctively lean back from the screen in sheer terror as they click.

These Windows alikes are useless for any Linux user, but incredibly helpful for people like me who have to turn Windows users into Linux users.

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I feel this so much it hurts.

Some people are TERRIFIED of devices.

They look at the UI like it’s the cockpit of a fighter plane, with a thousand buttons, some of which make things explode.

Unless they know exactly what to do, they won’t even try anything.

Nevermind that UIs are usually designed to allow a user to figure them out by just prodding at everything and seeing what it does.

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58 points

I remember once seeing an explanation of how us tech people magically know what to do with any program that was like “We don’t. We just look for something that seems vaguely familiar and try clicking it.” Three bars in a hamburger shape? That’s a menu. Oh, look, a cog, that always means settings, what we want is probably a setting. Etc.

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Meanwhile give root access to a CEO because he demands it, and he’ll happily copy and paste “sudo wget piped to bash” commands copied from some forum into your production server

idk, I’d rather have users fear a bomb is about to go off than people exploding a bomb without even hesitating to think if they should proceed

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42 points

Just use KDE?

It is just KDE though. Its just a plasma skin. But what you get by installing Wubuntu instead of a proper distro, and then applying a skin, is supporting a developer with a history of bad security practices and poor behavior. Not to mention the potential copyright issues. This whole project will probably die when Microsoft realises that someone is using their name and trademarks to sell a competing project.

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11 points

Perfectly valid. I’m not endorsing the product, just explaining the use case.

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9 points

Yeah, just install Mint or something with that skin installed.

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Am I dumb or Mint still uses Plasma 5 on xorg by default and its wayland support is mediocre?

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sell

You sure about that?

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If you don’t mind me asking, what sort of servers/clients do you work with?

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I don’t mind you asking the question, but the answer is “No comment.”

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You can’t answer what type of server lol

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probably clients running “Human OS”

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While it might seem interesting for your usecase, please be careful which specific distro you use, especially when it comes to “windows-like” distros. Wubuntu (previously LinuxFX) has terrible security for your payment info, and the developers have made a ton of questionable decisions.

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the developers have made a ton of questionable decisions.

Yeah, mimicking Windows being the first. The second is “pay $35 to ‘unlock the benefits’” is skeezy as hail.

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Good to know. As I said in another comment, I’m not endorsing the product, just explaining the use case.

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11 points

Oh man, I feel that pain. But here’s where I’m at: after so many decades of really trying, really trying to get them to learn what a file system is and how computers, y’know, work, I’m done.

Obviously I don’t do that work for pay, but when I did I went with the assumption that people were just ignorant, not stupid. Now I think they’re just incurious - which is a kind of stupidity. And since the vast majority of their lives are now controlled, monitored, or involve these systems they can’t be bothered to learn - yeah, sucks to be them.

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4 points

Ooh, I’m a brain dead idiot, are your clients hiring?

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4 points

Lemmy needs a best comment section like reddit had

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Be the change you want to see in the world:

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I would argue that those people you’re describing shouldn’t be in charge of computers that are accessible from the Internet.

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They’re not. But also, I don’t exactly disagree. We just don’t really get a say in that part.

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I guess if the servers are only internal it’s not quite as bad.

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I love how to you everyone who is not a Linux enthusiast is a braindead idiot. Very nice. 👌

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8 points

we can’t stop you if you really want to read it that way

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But OP did really meant that people who can’t use PCs are braindead idoits, which is very harsh. People who are using PCs at their workplace for the first time or have learnt using Windows for the sake of getting a job do be very cautious like that. They only used them in constricted way and never got to play around with it. You can never learn how a device works without playing around with it imo. Just because you had more experience with PCs doesn’t mean you have right to call who are inexperienced brain-dead idoits.

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62 points

Years ago I got my parents to switch from internet explorer to firefox by putting IE’s icon over firefox…this has the same vibes. If you have someone technologically illiterate in your life who pretty much only uses the browser…yeah this idea could work.

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~Worked fine for my grandparents. The switch for them was about as annoying as switching windows versions

And it greatly reduced the spyware cleanup visits

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I did the exact same thing. IceWM with XP skin, Firefox with an extension that changed the name in the title bar to internet explorer + a IE theme. Then Thunderbird with an outlook theme. For years they used it like this and no longer did I have to clean out viruses or remove IEs additional toolbars that plagued that era.

Occasionally I would run some updates and that was it.

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8 points

I have an older friend that has no idea that his laptop uses Windows. He just wants to be able to browse Craigslist for cars and junk. Seems like he has to get a new laptop every two years because his “old one got too slow”. I should do something like this for him. He’d never know the difference.

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41 points

Here’s the thing…IF it could do what it claims, it would be a game changer.

It tries to claim it’s able to be a replacement for Windows, on Linux. It can run Windows native software. It does what Windows 11 does.

And that’s the problem. Nobody wants Windows 11. Windows 10 installs are GROWING while Windows 11 are actually shrinking. People are uninstalling Windows 11, to install Windows 10. And you’re going to mimic Winfows 11??? Ok. Bad move right out of the gate.

But lets see what it can do. Can it really run all Windows software and completely eliminate the need for microsoft?

In a word…No. It’s just Wine. Same Wine you can do on any other machine. With the same limitations. Nothing special here.

This is just a Windows 11 theme, which is hidden behind a $35 paywall. Yes the basic version is free, but if you came here, you came for the Windows. Part of the Windows apperance is hidden behind a liscense key fee.

So it’s trying to be something everyone hates to begin with. Claims it can do something uniquely useful, but fails. Then has the gall to charge you money for the experience.

That’s like making fake plastic dog shit, still having to use little baggies to clean it up, NOT getting to spend time with a dog afterwards, and then charging you money for the pleasure of cleaning up fake shit.

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19 points

Lindows II: electric boogaloo.

This is not the first, btw.

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Can you recommend a good one? I have a game that wont run on proton and my only answer is to dual boot

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which game is that? have you tried proton GE? if it’s anticheat stuff, your best choice is to dual boot unfortunately. if it isn’t resource intensive, i guess you could try GPU passthrough in a VM and see if it works. you need two GPUs for that tho…

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Nor should it be the last. Just be glad that Micro$oft doesn’t see it as being more valuable than just including WSL.

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Windows 10 installs are GROWING while Windows 11 are actually shrinking.

As someone whose been in the industry a long time I promise you that is not going to last. Starting in January the number of Windows 11 installations will start rising quickly while Windows 10s starts dropping off just as fast. With W10 going EoL in October anyone in a regulated industry will be forced to switch to a supported OS.

Yes I’m aware that you can hop to W10 LTSC for $30 but that is absolutely not going to change much since PC hardware from 2019/2020 is at or near EoL, both physically and from an accounting perspective, so it needs replacing anyway and that new hardware will come with Windows 11.

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I suspect many orgs were waiting to see if Microsoft blinked and pushed the date. Now with only 10 months to go to Win10 EoL, they don’t have a choice anymore.

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charging you money for the pleasure of cleaning up fake shit

Since when is cleaning up any kind of shit pleasing?

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3 points

It’s not, but it can be worth it.

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25 points

Oh sweet, man-made horror beyond my compression

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.tar.gz or .zip?

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.rar

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25 points

Cursed sibling of uwuntu

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*of the blessed sibling

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The Linux distro for anime fans?

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