171 points

What a bunch of scumbags.

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180 points

Yeah, the Blizzard a lot of us grew up with is truly dead and gone.

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34 points

zug zug

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13 points

Me not that kind of orc

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9 points

Something need doing?

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68 points

People do not understand that company name means nothing. The OG people who were the heart and soul of Blizzard are long gone. Blizzard is just a name now.

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27 points

Absolutely but companies can retain the culture they were originally set up under if they actively work to do that.

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5 points

Orcs and Humans were put into direct conflict by the opening of a portal by evil wizards. To fight for their homeland doesn’t make them scumbags, just brave fighters doing their best to follow orders, stand in the right places at the right times, and chop down whatever stands between them and safety.

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I will not pay 15-ish bucks for decade old games that I already purchased long time ago at release. Also not with another buck discount off. Definitely not since they are Blizzard games and these days that studio is not worth supporting anymore.

Good initiative from GOG, but this feels like wasted money to me. Warcraft 1 is definitely a hard sell because of how terrible playing it will feel. Or did they change that in the Remaster? You used to be able to only control one unit at a time. In Warcraft 2 they upped it to 9 units? Or am I off and it was 9 units in 1 and already more in 2?

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If you already purchased it a long time ago, and you can still get that copy working, then cool. But having a DRM-free copy designed to work with modern systems is very appealing. Buying DRM-free shows them where customers want to purchase their games. There are plenty of decades-old games worth more than $7.50 each.

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6 points

Never played the OG, but I’ve played the remaster and you can definitely select more than 1 unit.

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It was 4 in warcraft 1, 9 in 2, increased to 9 in the remaster.

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The good thing is that thanks to how GOG works, as long as some pirate purchases a copy, they will always be able to keep a current update available to the pirate community.

Thanks GOG, for being against DRM in games.

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9 points

So it’s wasted money because you personally already own these games.

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Yeah, I said I will not. I didn’t say no one should. I think it is great that GOG preserves them but the price is still to high for something from a scumbag company.

How does it work with the money GOG is charging, does Blizzard see anything of that? If not, then nice, makes it more worth to me to pay so GOG gets more funding.

If Blizzard does get a cut then GOG should give a rather hefty discount as a final “fuck you” to Blizzard. Because that’s all they deserve.

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4 points

you could group multiple in W1. you could only build buildings adjacent to your road though, I remember making a road right to the enemy and putting the barracks in their camp lol

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I don’t think you understand the point of preservation. This is for future generations, and you as well if you ever lose the original CD installers

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This entire preservation program is just going to end up costing them millions for dozens of people that care.

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5 points

If it was only dozens gog would have been shut down ten years ago

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147 points

Wasn’t Microsoft just talking about how important game preservation was to them?

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133 points

Its important for them to preserve any chance of profit that may be squeezed from old games.

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45 points

Ah yes, the Nintendo method of preservation.

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12 points

I have a script endlessly deleting and downloading BOTW on repeat so Nintendo experiences thousands of lost sales every few days.

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6 points

“No, not like that!”

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There’s a very crucial fact you’re forgetting about corporations who say they care about anything. They’re liars and only care about money.

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I guess that must be why I can’t buy the Black & White games or Fable 2. Because Microsoft cares so much about preserving the awkward legal Loop some of their Lionhead Games are in.

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It could be them getting ready to push a wc1 and 2 remake. Hopefully more of a D2 than a WC3…

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Friendly reminder: A “DRM-Free” game is only as preserved as the hard drive space you dedicate to it. If GoG goes down tomorrow then you are looking for torrents, same as everyone else.

That said: GoG has been doing this basically since year one (I want to say they lost and regained Interplay’s library like five times?). On the one hand, I love that I get that “hey, buy it now or never. Here is a discount code” warning. On the other hand… this feels like I would be calling it out as manipulative FOMO bullshit were it any other company.

Although… it is a pretty safe bet that MS aren’t interested in going back to GoG until the next time their online ecosystem collapses. So probably a “reasonable” bit of FOMO for those who love the SP campaigns of these games.

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8 points

If GoG goes down tomorrow

Or if Blizzard sues them to get the games removed.

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9 points

The game will be removed on 13. December?

However that can’t simply take away a game someone has already bought.

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Sure they can. Companies do it all the time.

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It will be removed from sale on 13 of December, but everyone who already bought it will continue to be able to download it from GOG indefinitely. Furthermore, GOG has stated their commitment to ensure the game remains compatible with newer computer and operating systems. That’s what the preservation project mentioned in the post is about.

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What’s GoG?

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A DRM free store that’s run by the CD Projekt Red guys. It focuses mainly on older games (Good Old Games) but it also got modern DRM free games such as Baldurs Gate 3.

If you’re buying an older game, it’s likely a better option than whatever steam offers as GOG will also try to fix old games that are broken on modern systems.

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Yeah normally I would feel the same way about this FOMO style of marketing but normally in that case it’s the company selling it deciding to like remove it from sale to create the FOMO need. In the case it’s another company basically forcing this decision on them so I don’t think it’s bad to let people buy it for cheaper while they still can.

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On the other hand… this feels like I would be calling it out as manipulative FOMO bullshit were it any other company.

While I hesitate to type this as it might be perceived as viewing a corporation as a friend, the intent matters, and GOG has a different history than the majority of FOMO abusing game companies. Did they identify that this is probably an opportunity to push some sales? Sure, probably. But I am chill permitting them that right when they’re visibly working to remove FOMO as a commercial strategy.

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Say it with me kids: Corporations are NEVER your friends. At best you have mutual interests, for a time.

Just look back to everyone who was all in on Google because “Do no evil” and “They aren’t Apple” and so forth. Unity when they were the underdog relative to Unreal. Reddit when they were the “counter culture” social media. And so forth.

I like GoG a lot and have since they first launched. I also remember the French Monk Incident and so forth.

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The underdog is often the one that is most pro-consumer, since that is in their business interest. As soon as the take the lead, the doors to enshittyfication open, because business shifts from getting new customers to not letting them leave. (Of course there are exceptions, but this is the case broadly)

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This is true. But things aren’t black and white, there are degrees. For example, there is a big difference between private corporations, and publicly listed ones. The former at least allows for possible decency. Sometimes. Usually not.

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If you want something preserved, you gotta be the one to preserve it for yourself.

Encrypt it, too.

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Which GOG makes possible by offering DRM-free and offline installers.

I know several big GOG customers download all offline installers and keep them on their own NAS. Some even keep the different versions.

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A “DRM-Free” game is only as preserved as the hard drive space you dedicate to it.

You mean, just like any pre digital purchasing game that you own on disks? Or similar to any physical object you ever bought (hard drive space / shelf space), for that matter?

They’re preserving it as much as they’re able to without being a government funded museum.

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They’re preserving it as much as they’re able to

So we are giving participation awards? GoG use digital preservation as a marketing point. They aren’t doing that. And they are arguably making for a false sense of security (some might go even farther…) when people think that buying a game from a major dev and European publisher is digital preservation.

How would you feel if Crunchyroll started arguing they were the good guys because they were releasing Witch from Mercury for 100 USD?

Now for the fun part!

Or similar to any physical object you ever bought (hard drive space / shelf space), for that matter?

Yeah. As in it is “preserved” up until someone does a cross country move or merges their life with a partner who doesn’t see why you need to have every single Blizzard Battle Chest on a giant shelf in the living room.

You mean, just like any pre digital purchasing game that you own on disks?

Yes. Because bit rot is a thing and people need to be aware of that and actually preserve that data. Hmm, I wonder who could help with that…

They’re preserving it as much as they’re able to without being a government funded museum.

Good news. You don’t have to be a government funded museum. In fact, governments are kind of an active threat to these because they are in a REALLY grey area legally. And publishers (like CD Projekt…) tend to go after them both legally and not legally.

I very much disagree that just having a copy of a game is games preservation but it is part of it. And orgs like The Internet Archive are preserving both the media itself AND the media and culture about said media. And they and their associates put the legwork in to reach out to people who have those big boxes or scratched up discs and preserve things BEFORE it is time to make room for the new baby. And they don’t have fancy deals with publishers to help market for donations. They have to ask.

So if you actually care about digital preservation? https://archive.org/donate?origin=iawww-TopNavDonateButton

Whereas, if you just want to spend money and react to FOMO?

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So we are giving participation awards?

Huh?

Are you blaming them for not preserving things more than actual physical objects that you bought are preserved in your house? The whole root of the matter was people complaining about companies obsoleting or taking away games they paid for. What GOG is doing counters just that. It is now once again in your hands and your hands only to preserve and maintain your property, and if the data gets corrupted, you only have time, physics and yourself to blame.

I couldn’t care less about anybody creating some kind of eternal video game archive for archaeologists of the post apocalyptic world to find. I care about if I will still be able to play the games I paid money for in 30 years, provided I keep the data and hardware. How would that last part be the store’s responsibility?

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Are complete data backups just not something people do anymore?

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For data that is “mine”? Yeah.

But the average steam library (from just asking chatgpt because i am lazy) is 30-100 games for a “normal” user and 200-300 games for an “enthusiast”. Assuming 10 GB per game on average (which is woefully small these days) and you are expecting people to spend 1-3 TB of storage on just their game installers alone. AND that is assuming none of those installers get updates and people need to figure out which ones (most of us who lived through The French Monk incident can attest to that).

So what happens is “oh, someone else will back it up” and so forth. And it means EVERYONE is grabbing torrents for Spec Ops The Line and not just the people who didn’t think to buy a copy while they could.

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If the games are DMR free, I’m including them in my regular backups. It’s that simple.

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I have them on CD-ROM.

I also think I have the final patches for them on floppies that I stuffed in the boxes. Not sure if they’re readable (or in fact the final patches)

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Thankfully it seems that PC gaming wiki still has working links to the patches.

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