In a effin airport where people are wearing masks everywhere
I was traveling recently and got so many dirty looks for wearing a mask, only one at O’Hare.
And then I didn’t wear it enough and caught covid for the first time. (I should have known better in cramped tourists spots). Then I had a reason to wear it, especially while temporarily homeless.
I don’t care what anyone says I hated wearing the mask when I had to wear it but I didn’t catch COVID when I was wearing a mask. I know people say masks don’t work but I didn’t catch so much as a cold for the two years I had to wear the damn thing so if wearing a mask is going to keep me from the plague I’ll take the freaking ugly looks from the unwashed masses that are stupid as shit.
A friend’s kid brought home Covid and they didn’t catch it because they masked up for a few days in their house.
Masks certainly do work. Hospitals used them for decades pre pandemic for a reason.
Your personal right to not spread germs is being taken away.
And the idiots cheer for it. It really is unfathomable.
It puts the whole climate change “controversy” in perspective for me. It’s not controversial, these people just have a death wish. It’s best if we just move along without them, where possible, and don’t let them get in our way.
You made a good point. There are definitely people who are actively trying to ruin the world, and that is a direct threat to mine yours and every one elses life. So then getting rid of these people should fall under self defense.
it’s crazy how conservatives are just an opposition party. Are the dems for something? Then conservatives must be against it!
they’re all just children with severe behavioral disorders
I always say conservatives have oppositional defiant disorder. How else could you constantly oppose things that everyone else thinks are a better way to live?
I have real issues with whether ODD is real, but I thought the same thing.
Conservatives don’t have ODD. They’ve just taken individualism to its logical conclusion and declared anything that remotely inconveniences or challenges them - whether real or perceived - is absolutely unacceptable.
Conservatives often answer polls in favor of positive things, but publicly state their opposition to Democrats trying to do those things and elect Republicans who actively tear down anything that works. It is madness.
Conservatives often answer polls in favor of positive things
Because they see themselves as good, reasonable people. They don’t act like it, but they believe they do.
They’re an opposition party that’s prevented the people of the United States from passing any significant legislation since 2010. We don’t have a country anymore.
Americans are a stateless people thanks to dark money. Buckle up.
Since we’re stateless I guess I’ll go get an abortion and stop paying rent.
That government doesn’t really serve the people. Does it serve us to stop women from having abortions? Does it serve us to allow housing to be an investment vehicle?
they’re all just children with severe behavioral disorders
I understand the intent of what you are saying, but please don’t call them all children. They aren’t. They are adults who should know better and should think critically and are fully responsible for their actions. I think it’s important to call them out and describe them exactly as they are.
The way that people react to safety guidelines like rebellious teenagers would be almost hilarious if it didn’t get them killed.
I see so many “rebel canners” that are proud that they do shit like dry canning, because the FDA tells them not to. It’s so cool to get botulism because you don’t like daddy government telling you what to do.
The mask bans seem to be that same kind of childish reaction - “you made us wear masks! We’re going to make you not wear masks!”
Let me fix that for you doc: Signs you shouldn’t eat at a restaurant because it’s likely unsafe, getting banned from entering because you’re wearing a mask.
Nobody’s gonna tell us we have to wash our hands before handling other people’s food!
I forgot the comedian’s name, but he had a bit about Confederate flags in the south. He said he found them useful because they told him which places he should avoid. That way he didn’t waste time expecting them to act normal.
It’s self-labeling… unfortunately similar to nutcases flying American flags on pickup trucks.
Edit: To clarify, it would be best if anyone that feels they should wear a mask in the restaurant while they wait for the food, be allowed.
As someone that thinks masks work, I got a few takes on this.
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In the USA, a private company can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason except a legally protected reason. If a company doesn’t like your shirt they don’t have to serve you. But if they don’t like that you are gay they have to say they don’t like your shirt, if they don’t serve you because you a gay, thats illegal.
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While it’s stupid that they won’t serve the doctor wearing a mask, wasn’t the doctor going to take their mask of like immediately after sitting at the table to drink something while looking at the menu? At the very most, they would take it off to eat the food right? So they were denied service so that they could at most wear a mask for like 15 mins while they wait for the food to be made.
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If you have to take you mask off to eat, is it really worth it to keep you mask on for as much as possible? Assuming your intention is not to spread disease from yourself to others, how much more harm would an additional 15 mins cause? I honestly don’t know but if it’s non-trivial, perhaps eating at a sitdown restaurant (which normally takes longer) is morally wrong. Although, not as morally wrong as denying service to someone wearing a mask.
The main point is to minimise the risk of infection of others. Masks do that by limiting the amount of virus you spray info the environment with every breath. The longer you have the mask on, the fewer virus-laden droplets get out, the lower the viral load is for everyone around you.
So to answer your question, yes, keeping the mask off the whole time would have been measurably worse than keeping it on before and after eating. No, getting a meal at an airport is not ethically wrong even if you have to take off the mask to eat and drink. Wearing the mask for as long as possible is the right thing to do because it offers the best chance of not getting other people sick; taking it off to eat balances your needs with the safety of others.
If everyone masked like this (even if it was just when they know they’re sick, instead of always), many fewer people would get sick when they go flying.
Well, science has also shown that environments devoid of pathogens tend to produce people with allergies and autoimmune disorders. So maybe if everyone wore masks and nobody ever got sick, we’d have a society of people with allergies and autoimmune disorders.
Masking doesn’t render the air “devoid of pathogens”, it just reduces the amount of pathogens you’re spraying into the environment while you’re contagious, and provides some filtering of the air you’re breathing through your mouth and nose.
Our immune systems will still get “exercised” by fighting off the pathogens we do encounter, but they won’t necessarily be so easily overwhelmed since we won’t be constantly inhaling more and more virus while our lymphatic system is busy fighting off the replicating viral bodies that have already gotten in.
science has also shown that environments devoid of pathogens tend to produce people with allergies and autoimmune disorders
It’s actually the other way around, with viral infections being one of many causes of autoimmune diseases.
What if the doctor was just going in to get takeout? Or just plain wants to wear a mask while they’re not eating? Whose business is it but theirs? I thought Americans believed in freedom.
Half the country’s definition of freedom is their right to impose their will onto everyone else.
The other half’s definition of freedom is being able to say whatever bullshit comes to mind and not having it challenged.
Yes I agree, they should be allowed to wear a mask when ever they want. And I’ll always avoid a business that has some kind of terrible policy like this.
I’m more honestly asking, as someone that does wear masks and avoids going out if I feel sick or know I’ve been exposed. How much benefit is the 15 min wait it will take to prepare the food?
To your first point: the person could be wearing a mask because they see immunocompromised in some way, which would be a protected class (disability). You can’t refuse to serve someone because they’re disabled and wearing a mask as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move about in crowds, just like you can’t refuse to serve a person because they’re disabled and using a wheelchair as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move around in crowds. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Great example of actively harmful rhetoric that attempts to undermine the fact that masking works.
I don’t see how. Since the covid pandemic I wear masks if I’m sick or know I was around someone that’s sick and I have to be somewhere with people. But it would be so much less possible harm if I just stay home during that time. So like if I felt like I needed a mask, I would either not go traveling or I would wear a mask and not eat in public.
The point is that you can’t wear a mask while eating or drinking so it’s literally 10-15 minutes you’re actually talking about wearing a mask in the restaurant.
With regard to your point 1, I think a business y should give up some of its freedom to filter patrons, if it’s doing business in a place like an airport.
Just like a vendor at a stadium shouldn’t be able to individually discriminate, because they’ve made their business part of a larger system.
