I get it, but if you’re worried about covid, why are you eating in a restaurant?
It’s called being sensible. Like… We all take risks when we go out, but it’s like wearing a seatbelt. Does it eliminate risk? No. Does it reduce risk and is low risk in of itself by wearing it? Of course.
And ultimately, the insensible thing is banning masks.
It doesn’t really reduce risk much because you’re literally about to take it off anyway in that same space.
I’m going to take a wild guess that the infectious disease doctor knows better, but by all means please proceed, Mr. Dunning-Kruger.
If I’m in transit on airplanes and in airports for 8 hours and I wear a mask for 7 of those hours, the one hour (or probably less) that I take off my mask to eat a meal doesn’t completely negate the good that wearing a mask does for the rest of the time. I’m still reducing my risk (or the risk I pose to others around me) for 88% of my travel time.
This is what happens when you don’t club fascist idiots with baseball bats whenever you see them. Now tell me about how we have to protect their “free speech”.
How would you know who the fascist is unless their free speech is protected?
The same way my ilk once dealt with organized scabs, torture out of the first few and them shootup thei meating place.
Notice “free speech” is in scare quotes. The previous comment isn’t suggesting that free speech should not be protected. But rather they referring to the fact that many fascists claim that to criticize them, or to refuse to promote their views is to stifle their free speech.
Why would you want to know who the fascists are? If you do then that means you gave them power. In the US fascists not only have free speech protections, they have greater free speech rights than anyone on the left. They were given- through federal legislation- the power to control all media outlets. Fascists will never allow leftists to have a platform. Centrists will never allow it either. There is no practical reason at all for the left to defend free speech for Nazis, yet they continue to do so.
Does anybody actually know what the restaurant’s policy is on masks and why they have it in the first place or are people just assuming things to rage over?
Could be that they’re worried that the people who got through security and had their luggage and bodies checked for weapons and identity confirmed may rob the place if they wear a mask
Actually after doing some research on this story, there’s a very good chance that it is fake.
Actually it turns out I was right, you people did not bother to verify anything about this story and you’re just assuming stuff to rage over.
The restaurant in the picture is the La Tapenade Mediterranean cafe. This is a real restaurant in the O’Hare airport. This restaurant is a chain that is owned by a company called HMSHost, which a subsidiary of the big Swiss company Dufry. If you go to their website and look up their policies, you’ll notice that there is zero mention of masks ANYWHERE. Here is their website, you can verify it yourself:
I thought that my search was flawed, so I tried to look up articles reporting this story but I couldn’t find anything. The one and only source to this story is that Tweet. Which means that it’s very likely that this story is a hoax made up by some Twitter rando who wanted rage bait.
Which makes sense because it is highly unlikely for a big corporation running a company that runs chain restaurants in international airports to have a policy against masks, especially when the airport in question is in Chicago, which is one of the most liberal cities in America. You simply fell for the bait without questioning it.
Let’s hold up on the self-congratulations a second.
There’s a very long way between a multinational corporation’s published policy and the practice at street-level, even if yesterday is the only report (so far). Is this a franchise? What authority does the store have contractually, or in practice? Is the policy enforced? Is there a history of enforcement? Was this a rogue employee, maybe a recent hire, with a political motivation?
Did you check the original thread https://x.com/AmmahStarr/status/1804608613916328334 for the context of the discussion? Did you check the account for a history of “rage-bait” before dismissing this woman’s experience?
Skepticism is important, but caping for corps is seldom necessary. They pay people for that.
Well, I mean before COVID plenty of places banned wearing anything that obscured your face. Like if you walked into a bank wearing a ski mask, you’re probably gonna have a bad time.
It’s a restaurant anyway… You gonna eat with a mask on? The ban is kinda unnecessary because it would resolve itself once the mask wearer has their food.
Edit: To clarify, it would be best if anyone that feels they should wear a mask in the restaurant while they wait for the food, be allowed.
As someone that thinks masks work, I got a few takes on this.
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In the USA, a private company can legally refuse service to anyone for any reason except a legally protected reason. If a company doesn’t like your shirt they don’t have to serve you. But if they don’t like that you are gay they have to say they don’t like your shirt, if they don’t serve you because you a gay, thats illegal.
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While it’s stupid that they won’t serve the doctor wearing a mask, wasn’t the doctor going to take their mask of like immediately after sitting at the table to drink something while looking at the menu? At the very most, they would take it off to eat the food right? So they were denied service so that they could at most wear a mask for like 15 mins while they wait for the food to be made.
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If you have to take you mask off to eat, is it really worth it to keep you mask on for as much as possible? Assuming your intention is not to spread disease from yourself to others, how much more harm would an additional 15 mins cause? I honestly don’t know but if it’s non-trivial, perhaps eating at a sitdown restaurant (which normally takes longer) is morally wrong. Although, not as morally wrong as denying service to someone wearing a mask.
Great example of actively harmful rhetoric that attempts to undermine the fact that masking works.
I don’t see how. Since the covid pandemic I wear masks if I’m sick or know I was around someone that’s sick and I have to be somewhere with people. But it would be so much less possible harm if I just stay home during that time. So like if I felt like I needed a mask, I would either not go traveling or I would wear a mask and not eat in public.
The point is that you can’t wear a mask while eating or drinking so it’s literally 10-15 minutes you’re actually talking about wearing a mask in the restaurant.
To your first point: the person could be wearing a mask because they see immunocompromised in some way, which would be a protected class (disability). You can’t refuse to serve someone because they’re disabled and wearing a mask as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move about in crowds, just like you can’t refuse to serve a person because they’re disabled and using a wheelchair as medical equipment to supplement their ability to move around in crowds. That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
What if the doctor was just going in to get takeout? Or just plain wants to wear a mask while they’re not eating? Whose business is it but theirs? I thought Americans believed in freedom.
Half the country’s definition of freedom is their right to impose their will onto everyone else.
The other half’s definition of freedom is being able to say whatever bullshit comes to mind and not having it challenged.
Yes I agree, they should be allowed to wear a mask when ever they want. And I’ll always avoid a business that has some kind of terrible policy like this.
I’m more honestly asking, as someone that does wear masks and avoids going out if I feel sick or know I’ve been exposed. How much benefit is the 15 min wait it will take to prepare the food?
The main point is to minimise the risk of infection of others. Masks do that by limiting the amount of virus you spray info the environment with every breath. The longer you have the mask on, the fewer virus-laden droplets get out, the lower the viral load is for everyone around you.
So to answer your question, yes, keeping the mask off the whole time would have been measurably worse than keeping it on before and after eating. No, getting a meal at an airport is not ethically wrong even if you have to take off the mask to eat and drink. Wearing the mask for as long as possible is the right thing to do because it offers the best chance of not getting other people sick; taking it off to eat balances your needs with the safety of others.
If everyone masked like this (even if it was just when they know they’re sick, instead of always), many fewer people would get sick when they go flying.
Well, science has also shown that environments devoid of pathogens tend to produce people with allergies and autoimmune disorders. So maybe if everyone wore masks and nobody ever got sick, we’d have a society of people with allergies and autoimmune disorders.
Masking doesn’t render the air “devoid of pathogens”, it just reduces the amount of pathogens you’re spraying into the environment while you’re contagious, and provides some filtering of the air you’re breathing through your mouth and nose.
Our immune systems will still get “exercised” by fighting off the pathogens we do encounter, but they won’t necessarily be so easily overwhelmed since we won’t be constantly inhaling more and more virus while our lymphatic system is busy fighting off the replicating viral bodies that have already gotten in.
science has also shown that environments devoid of pathogens tend to produce people with allergies and autoimmune disorders
It’s actually the other way around, with viral infections being one of many causes of autoimmune diseases.
With regard to your point 1, I think a business y should give up some of its freedom to filter patrons, if it’s doing business in a place like an airport.
Just like a vendor at a stadium shouldn’t be able to individually discriminate, because they’ve made their business part of a larger system.
Can’t wait for bird flu. Shit’s gonna be wild.
